Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (WPM) on Q1 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by and welcome to Wheaton Precious Metals 2021 First Quarter Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded on Friday May 07, 2021, at 11 a.m. Eastern Time. Patrick Drouin: Thank you, operator. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for participating in today's call. I'm joined today by Randy Smallwood, Wheaton Precious Metals President and Chief Executive Officer; Gary Brown, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Haytham Hodaly, Senior Vice President, Corporate Development. Please note for those not currently on the webcast, the slide presentation accompanying this conference call is available in PDF format on the Events page of the Wheaton Precious Metals' website. I'd like to bring to your attention that some of the commentary on today's call may contain forward-looking statements. There can be no assurances that forward-looking statements will prove to be accurate as actual results and future events could differ materially from those anticipated in such statements. Slide 2 of this presentation and our financial results contain important cautionary notes regarding forward-looking statements and I would direct everyone to review those notes in connection with the presentation as well as the risk factors set out in Wheaton's Annual Information Form, Management's Discussion and Analysis for the year ended December 31, 2020, and in Wheaton's Form 40-F. It should be noted that all figures referred to on today's call are in U.S. dollars, unless otherwise noted. In addition that reference to Wheaton or Wheaton Precious Metals on this call include Wheaton Precious Metals Corp and/or its wholly-owned subsidiaries as applicable. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Randy Smallwood, our President and Chief Executive Officer. Randy Smallwood: Thank you, Patrick, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Wheaton’s first quarter results of 2021. I do hope everyone has been keeping healthy and safe since our last quarterly conference call. I am pleased to announce that in the first quarter of 2021, Wheaton's high quality portfolio of assets generated record breaking revenue of over $320 million and operating cash flow of over $230 million. Given Wheaton's innovative dividend policy, this strong cash flow has resulted in a 40% increase to the quarterly dividend relative to Q1 of 2020, marking the third quarterly dividend increase in a row. In addition, we continue to execute on our growth strategy, closing the previously announced stream on the Cozamin Mine located in Mexico and announcing a new stream on the Santo Domingo project located in Chile. Both assets are owned by Capstone, a company we are very pleased to re-partner with as they grow these exceptional assets. Haytham will provide more details on our corporate development activities later in this call. Our organic growth profile continues to advance with Hudbay announcing that they are on track to achieve production from the Pampacancha deposit at the Constancia mine in the second quarter. Gary Brown: Thank you, Randy, and good morning ladies and gentlemen. The company's precious metal interests produced 190,400 gold equivalent ounces in the first quarter of 2021 comprised of 77,700 ounces of gold, 6.8 million ounces of silver, 5,800 ounces of palladium, and 1.2 million pounds of cobalt with Q1 representing the first period that the company had reportable cobalt production from the Voisey's Bay stream. The cobalt production in the first quarter of 2021 includes some material produced at the Voisey's Bay mine from prior periods as the company is entitled to any cobalt processed as of January 1, 2021. Relative to the first quarter of the prior year, this represented a decrease of 2% on a gold equivalent basis with lower production that's Salobo being attributable to lower throughput and grade due to unplanned maintenance during the quarter being partially offset by the first reported production relative to cobalt. On a gold equivalent basis, sales volumes were virtually unchanged as the decrease in production was offset by 4,200 gold equivalent ounce decrease in ounces produced, but not delivered or PBND in Q1 2021. As of March 31, 2021, ounces in PBND amounted to approximately 136,000 gold equivalent payable ounces representing approximately 2.3 months of payable production. This amount of PBND is consistent with the average PBND balance of approximately 140,000 gold equivalent ounces over the preceding four quarters. Revenue for the first quarter of 2021 amounted to $324 million, representing a 27% increase relative to Q1 2020 due to the increase in the average realized gold equivalent price. Of this revenue, 41% was attributable to gold sales, 54% silver, 4% palladium, and 1% cobalt, driven by the increasing commodity prices, gross margin for the first quarter of 2021 increased 42% to $175 million. Cash based G&A expenses amounted to $11 million in the first quarter of 2021, representing a decrease of $1 million from Q1 2020, primarily due to lower accrued costs associated with the performance share units, or PSUs. The company continues to estimate that non-stock based G&A expenses, which exclude expenses relating to the value of stock options and PSUs will amount to $42 million to $45 million for 2021. Haytham Hodaly: Thank you, Gary, and thank you all for joining us today. I'm sure by now you've all had a chance to go through the economics on our newest stream on Capstone Santo Domingo, IOCG project located in Chile, and hopefully you're as excited as we are on this one. As you can see from the attached slide, we've ventured into a gold stream on a polymetallic acid, and that's exactly when streaming works best. As you're taking precious metals out of a company, that's getting a base metal evaluation and getting a rerating within Wheaton, which we're also able to share with our partner in our acquisition price and that ensures a win-win scenario. It's a life of mind stream on 100% of the gold dropping to two-thirds of the gold after a certain threshold ounce number has been delivered with an 18% production payment that increases to 22% once the upfront deposit is reduced to zero. The total stream deposit is 290 million, 30 million of which was paid on April 21st with the remainder to be paid during construction. It's a fully permitted project and assuming everything keeps moving forward at the plant base to be contributing as early as 2024. We also see significant upside with potential for increased throughput and a cobalt circuit, which would actually increase our overall gold reserves down the road. This project is a long life asset with low operating costs falling in the first class quartile that will continue to contribute to the high quality of our existing streaming portfolio. Randy Smallwood: Thank you, Haytham. We are pleased to reiterate our 2021 and long-term production guidance previously announced in February. For 2021 Wheaton's estimated attributable production is on-track to produce between 370,000 to 400,000 ounces of gold, 22.5 million to 24 million ounces of silver and 40,000 to 45,000 gold equivalent ounces of other metals being cobalt and palladium, amounting to total gold equivalent production of approximately 720,000 to 780,000 ounces. As our strong development pipeline continues to deliver organic growth, I would like to highlight a few assets to watch for it as we look toward the rest of 2021. As I mentioned at the beginning of the call in April, Hudbayver achieved a significant milestone as they completed the final land user agreement for the Pampacancha deposit at Constancia. Hudbayver has commenced development activities in the open pit and the first production is expected in the second quarter of 2021. At Salobo, Vale has reported that physical completion of the Salobo 3 expansion was at 73% at the end of the first quarter, and remains on-track for start-up in the first half of 2022. Patrick Drouin: Sorry, Randy, I hate to do this to you. But if we could, actually there's a few questions coming on via email that maybe we can go ahead and answer. Randy Smallwood: Sounds good. Patrick Drouin: Randy Smallwood: Sure. So with respect to any new stream as it comes on, there is always going to be a bit of a working inventory build. And typically in most of our precious metals mines, we guide towards two to three months worth of production from each assets, depending on whether it's a doré product or whether it's a copper concentrate. Now, what happens is we do have several assets that are very vertically integrated. Sudbury is one that we've had for many, many years now where the finished product that goes through the smelters and it is a finished product that we receive. And it's the same now with Voisey's Bay cobalt. It is not only mine, that's the Voisey's Bay operation, but now it's processed through the smelter at Long Harbour, which means that the period that it's in process is a much longer period because it's such a vertically integrated operation. So our guidance would be that we expect to have about four to five months worth of working inventory in process. Now, the way the contract was structured with Vale is that anything that was in working progress as of January 1st is to the credit of Wheaton. And so, we stepped into this contract with acquiring not only the actual production from Q1, but also the working inventory that was in the system and being winter time, but it was likely a bit of a higher inventory than normal, just because of shipping in winter through that area. And so, all in all, it means a much higher working inventory at the site itself. And that's what we've reported is the high production. Now sales, of course, as we took over ownership of this stuff in inventory, we had to fill up the sales end of it and start. We have our own warehouses and our own sales agency. And so, we had to – our first sales didn't happen until the – near the end of that first quarter. And that's why sales are so much lower than the overall inventory. But with respect to Voisey's Bay, we will continually build up or we continually have probably about four to five months worth of production and sort of a working inventory in process. Patrick Drouin: All right, so we're going to just going to go with this format. Michael Jalonen has reached out and asked us for the thoughts on Barrick's successful drilling so far at Lama, including the Penelope pit and whether or not do you have thoughts as to whether we are entitled to that material as well? Randy Smallwood: Yes, we get 25% of whatever silver is produced from any of that area in the Pascua and the side of the border. And so, we've recognized that as exploration potential. We did the original transaction, but we never really felt that we're going to see production from that. The Pascua-Lama deposit is definitely a core focus area. But with the Penelope and other regions around Lama having capacity to deliver upside value, it further reinforces why we wanted to keep this stream even though we had the option to collapse the stream and get our money back from Barrick, we chose to keep it. This is an asset that we are confident will eventually deliver metal to us and – in one form or another, it sounds like it will be coming. Patrick Drouin: Another question coming in, Randy, as far as the discussions on Pampacancha with Hudbay, if we can provide any additional color on that as far as the penalty payments that were to be due coming at the end of the second quarter. Randy Smallwood: Well, look, Wheaton has long prided itself on being a partner in our streaming agreements. And Hudbay is, of course, a very important partner for us from 777 all the way through to Constancia and ultimately to Rosemont. And so, we will work with them. I mean, we do have to preserve, but the reason we have these measures in place, these penalty payment mechanisms in place is to protect our own shareholders and the value that we've delivered, but we will work with Hudbay. We're in discussions with them to find a way that will deliver good solid value to not only our – preserve the value that we have, but also work and provide some support to Hudbay. And so, that's a discussion that's in process. Patrick Drouin: I'm just going to, sorry, ask one more time. Is the operator on the line currently? Okay. I appreciate the emails coming in. We'll stick with the questions as they are coming in and I appreciate analysts you're rolling with us on this technical issue we're having. The next question we have… Operator: I am here, Patrick. Patrick Drouin: Okay. Can we start queuing up the questions? Operator: Okay. Patrick Drouin: I do see that there is enough people in the queue. Operator: Okay. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Patrick Drouin: I think we can skip that. We have already started. Operator: Okay, okay. Your first question… Patrick Drouin: I think Tyler is waiting for... Operator: Your first question is from Tyler Langton from J.P. Morgan. Tyler Langton: Yes, good morning everybody. Thanks for taking my question. Randy Smallwood: Well, thanks, Tyler. Thanks for your patience. Tyler Langton: Yes. No problem. I think that Randy maybe last quarter you had talked about that you're hopeful that they might be closed, the Vale might be close to making a decision whether they would stockpile the low grade ore maybe sometime in the first half of this year, just kind of any updates or thoughts there. Randy Smallwood: Yes. And this relates to the mining plan for the Phase 3 as the Phase 3 comes in, what portion of the ore will they stockpile versus feeding through the mill, what grade profile do they choose to move forward with? It is an active discussion. We've been in talks with them. They haven't made any final decisions yet. And so, we're continuing to work with Vale to see which direction it should go. It's quite clear that in the copper industry worldwide in large scale open pits, there's a lot of economic sense and especially in today's price environment, there's a lot of economic sense in moving some of the higher grade products forward and stockpiling the low grade materials. It makes strong sense in every copper operation in the world. And so, we're hopeful that Vale does choose that path or can choose to continue on that path. That's what they're doing right now with the first two phases. Again, we're just waiting for a final decision out of that group. Tyler Langton: Okay. Now, that's helpful. And then just one more additional question on Salobo, I guess, I think in the release, you mentioned that production was just impacted by lower throughput. I guess there are some changes in the maintenance routines. We should just largely be behind them going forward. Just how to think about that? Randy Smallwood: It was really a – they basically had to go through a bit of a safety reset on the maintenance side because of a couple of incidents that they had in the fourth quarter of last year and something that we strongly, strongly support. Net zero harm is always an objective that we want all of our partners to strive for and it is exactly what Vale is striving for. And so, they had to go through a bit of a reset in the maintenance side and what they – where this had an impact really was equipment availability during the first quarter. They're definitely better than they were at the start of the year. They definitely have improved, but there is still some, some progress to be made, again it has to be done safely. And we're in full support of that, but there may still be some residual impacts into the second quarter. The advantage of the opportunity here is to – in terms of making sure again that all the operations are run with net zero harm. Tyler Langton: Perfect. That's it for me. Thanks so much. Randy Smallwood: Thank you. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ralph Profiti from Eight Capital. Randy Smallwood: Good morning, Ralph. Ralph Profiti: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Randy and maybe Haytham, when I look across the Wheaton stream portfolio, the vast majority of term exposure is life of mine. And however, I'm seeing more and more transactions happening in the market with these buyback options on the part of the operator. And I'm just wondering, would you say that that's a characteristic that you're seeing in some of the corporate development activities that you're looking at? Are you open to those types of deals? And I guess my second question is would you carry a higher investment threshold when you look at those types of deals, given the potentially lower optionality? Randy Smallwood: Haytham, I'll let you answer that one. Haytham Hodaly: Sure, Randy. Thanks for the question, Ralph. And just to answer your question, yes, there – we are seeing a lot more buybacks at least by our competitors. Buybacks are appropriate for certain sized companies for junior companies that are building and have a strong potential for an acquisition opportunity where they are going to be acquired. We see that's pretty important to them. What you've seen in our transactions in the past is we've offered buybacks in the event of a change of control. But in that buyback, we do tend to get some pretty reasonable returns. If we're looking at buybacks without a change of control, we really are quite opposed to that, unless we're getting a return that's well, well above our typical returns for these streaming opportunities. And our typical return, I believe, is somewhere around 17%. So we'd be looking for something between 25% and 30% if we were going to do something to that effect. But again, we're opposed to that. We're really pushing on these life of mine contracts with buybacks for these junior companies and these early deposit structures only in the event of change of control, Ralph. Ralph Profiti: Fair enough. Good point. Yes. And then if I can just maybe have a follow-up, Rosemont, Hudbay is talking about sort of alleviating some of the permitting on federal lands by going sort of with a smaller footprint on non-federal lands. Just wondering if you have sort of any early indications of what that could mean. And if the footprint and the scale of the project changes, how does that impact the $230 million contingent payment, was that based on a certain output and throughput things? Randy Smallwood: Yes, I'll take that one, Ralph. First off it will have an impact. It's not so much the actual operation itself, the deposit itself, so mining will still be along the lines where it has an impact is where do you store your waste rock disposals, and where do you stockpile your tailings. And that's going to have an extra cost to it if you're limited in terms of that. And so you always hate if an operation is going to go forward, I mean, I'm a believer we should always try and make these things as efficient as we can and costs like that. All they do is drive up the impact of these operations, and you're just only getting the same benefit. And so, it just makes sense from all perspectives, from any sustainability perspective, anything along those lines to make sure that we do this as efficiently as we can. And so, I'm hopeful that they are successful in terms of being able to do it on a best design basis, irrespective of federal lands or not. But so the deposit itself, those extra costs will obviously have an impact in terms of cut-off grades and stuff like that, but the deposit itself has very, very high margins. And so, therefore, it shouldn't be – I wouldn't expect any significant impact at all actually. And in fact I would say that that some of the exploration success that they've had in the area will be a very, very pleasant addition to – from a value perspective. We've always felt that was good, strong exploration potential there and it just hasn't been explored because it's been in a – to be tied up in a permitting process for such a long time. Nobody likes the variability of exploration success and what kind of an impact that might have, but this is now looking even – we're starting to see evidence of that exploration potential. With respect to the actual contract itself, we have – because it's a development contract where we're funding construction, there'll be completion tests and certain levels of production that has to be attained, standard format for our construction funding contracts. Ralph Profiti: Got it, okay. Yes, well, understood. Thanks Randy and Haytham. Randy Smallwood: Thanks, Ralph. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jackie Przybylowski from BMO Capital Markets. Jackie Przybylowski: All right, thanks very much. And I just wanted to ask a follow-up to the question that Patrick read already. On cobalt, sorry to go back to this, but can you just give me an idea just because I'm trying to fine tune my model, is the production that you reported for Q1 cobalt from Voisey's Bay, is that something that we would expect to see serve on a steady state run rate? Do you think that's indicative of where cobalt should be going forward? Randy Smallwood: No, it's actually light for a steady state run rate, mainly because we had to get our own systems in place in terms of warehousing and build up with the agency agreement that we have, build up an inventory and started having our first sales. So our first sales didn't actually occur until near the end of the first quarter. When you look at the overall production and you see – I mean, again, the way we typically run these things is, I mean, we've given our guidance in terms of production on a per year basis. This is going to require about four to five months worth of working inventory. So if you just take a little bit less than half of that annual production number, that's what we'll probably wind up having in a working inventory basis from Voisey's Bay. And it is going to have some – a bit more variability than what we've had or volatility than what we've had in some of our other materials, mainly because these are lump sum sales. We tend to sell a block of cobalt at a time. And so depending on whether it happens before quarter end or after quarter end is going to have a bit of an impact. So we will have some volatility in terms of these sales numbers out of Voisey's Bay. But I think that if you sort of blur your eyes a bit, I would set aside about four to five months worth of the share of annual production, keep that as a working inventory. And then of course our annual production should be about – I am sorry our quarterly production should be about a quarter of our estimated annual numbers. Gary Brown: Yes, Jackie, maybe I'll just add some additional color there. This was the first quarter that we were entitled to cobalt from Voisey's Bay. And we're entitled to anything that had been processed, but not sold that was sitting in inventory as of January 1st 2021. So there is probably four plus months of production that had been that was sitting in inventory at January 1st. So, our production run rate that is attributable to us is estimated at about 400,000 pounds a quarter. Jackie Przybylowski: Yes. Okay. That's really what I was – that's what I had been modeling. So the production number that you reported surprised us, I guess, on the positive side. So I was wondering if we were just way low on production, but that's really helpful. Thanks. Thanks, Gary. Gary Brown: Yes. Jackie Przybylowski: And maybe if I can just ask one other question. Gary Brown: Of course yes. Jackie Przybylowski: Your results for Q1 it looks like at least in my numbers and from what I can see the consensus numbers as well was a little bit lighter than expectation on gold and a little stronger on silver. And it seemed like it kind of worked out to being kind of net-net, but I noticed you haven't changed your guidance. Are you expecting that ratio to still reverse and gold will strengthen going forward from here? Gary Brown: Well, gold of course, Salobo is a very important part of our gold production. Salobo though there is a bit of a safety reset that's still in process there, and Vale is taking that very seriously as they should. And so that's unlikely to be made-up, we can't process more tons. The mills only got a certain amount of capacity and so with the lower production in the first quarter, we'll climb back up to the regular run rate as these new safety measures are fully embraced and everyone – and returns back to normal operating rates. And so I don't think we'll probably not see some of that gold production that we missed in the first quarter, but fortunately we had Penasquito step-up and deliver on the silver side as an offset. I mean, it's gain the benefit of how diversified our portfolio is, is that when we have one asset week to have it made up elsewhere has done very well for us. Jackie Przybylowski: Absolutely. That's it for me. Thanks very much. Gary Brown: Thank you, Jackie. Operator: Your next question comes from Cosmos Chiu from CIBC. Cosmos Chiu: Hi. Thanks Randy, Gary, Haytham and Patrick we made it with technological difficulties. Alright, that’s my questions now. But maybe my first question is on cost. I noticed that cash costs in Q1 was $6.33 per ounce for silver higher than last quarter in part due to this others category, which was $9.41 per ounce. Could you maybe talk a bit more about that? Is that Alexco and what should we expect for the remainder of 2021? Randy Smallwood: Well Gary, you want to take it? Gary Brown: Yes. I mean from a cash cost perspective that's certainly the primary driver of the increase in silver cash costs. And it's just a mixture. You've also got streams like Antamina, where we're paying a percentage of spot. So as spot prices increase, so does – so does our production payment. Randy Smallwood: It's combination across, and we do also have some other contracts where we have incentives for production and higher production payments for higher production levels, and that would also feed into some of those contracts, and so it's a combination of all of the above. Cosmos Chiu: Got it. And then maybe a quick question here on the Santo Domingo, hopefully you're kind of monitoring the situation in Chile, I guess they're talking about higher taxes, who isn't, but is this keeping you up at night Haytham or how should we look at it? Would you like to make a comment on the potential impact? Randy Smallwood: Yes. I'll toss in a word there first, and Haytham, you can add in if you want. But it's one of the reasons that we do focus on first quartile. We focus on assets that have the capacity to handle impacts like this, and still be profitable for all the stakeholders, including governments and communities and the likes. And so that is an incredibly important aspect of our investment. I think it's something that really – we try and differentiate ourselves here at Wheaton in terms of focusing on it. The bottom half of the respective cost curve. Santo Domingo was a first curtail producer. That being said we are seeing this around the world as you alluded to there what government isn't trying to raise tax revenues to try and fund the programs that they're all having to implement around the world. And so – so again this is something that we're used to seeing. I mean, some of these increase in Chile are quite surprising in terms of the scale and the difference. And you do get concerned that it's going to have an impact on other investments into the country versus other countries and perhaps we are going to make countries like Peru or Ecuador or Columbia even more attractive from that perspective. So it's something that you do monitor. But again, it really reinforces the importance of having good strong operating margins so that we can handle stuff like this and still deliver positive value to all stakeholders. So Haytham, you want to add anything to that? Haytham Hodaly: No. You hit the nail right on the head there, Randy. I think the only thing that I would say is, this is as Randy said in terms of a cost curtail for cost curtail asset, payback on this based on the economics at the time were less than two years. So this is a phenomenal project. It's a fully permanent copper iron ore, iron oxide and copper gold project. If you look at what they're doing in terms of overall cost to reduce costs, they've entered into this agreement with . So on the ForEx, they are working on an agreement to replace iron pipeline with rail option, so that so any different cost savings that this project is really only getting better. So it’s unfortunate that everyone is trying to get their own extra bit of tax, but I can tell you this project stands on its own. Cosmos Chiu: Of course. Maybe one last question here, as we've heard from silver producers, silver operators it's much harder to make acquisitions on silver deposits. And as we've seen, a lot of silver producers are diversifying and acquiring gold assets. Is that the same case in terms of the warranty and streaming business, are you finding it harder, to make acquisitions in silver versus gold, or is that not really the case? Randy Smallwood: Well, there's definitely a bias, silver tends to be a more common by-product from lead, zinc operations. And we haven't seen a lot of investment into the zinc space of late. We still haven't seen a big kickoff. I mean, they are focused on gold – or sorry they are focused on the copper, we can focus on copper. And even nickel to that extent tends to have more of a gold by-product than it does the silver by-product. So, we are seeing more gold than we are silver. It is, to me, one of the factors that does make silver so attractive is the fact that there's just not a lot of growth coming into the space. And I agree, it seems to be a natural progression that also where companies eventually have become precious metals companies, because they just don't, they can't find enough opportunities to grow in the silver space and still stay focused in silver and it kind of highlights it. And so yes, we definitely have a bias towards the gold in our corporate development portfolio. I will highlight that in our optionality portfolio, we are very heavily silver bias, obviously Pascua-Lama, Rosemont is dominant silver production, Navidad is dominant silver production. And so it's – the optionality will deliver us some good strong silver growth over the next few years as we continue to add other opportunities that that will probably tend to be more gold focused. Cosmos Chiu: Great. Thanks again, Randy, and team. Those are all the questions I have. Have a good weekend. Randy Smallwood: Thank you, Cosmos. Operator: Your next question comes from Puneet Singh from Industrial Alliance. Puneet Singh: Great, good morning guys. Thanks for dealing with these technical challenges. I talked a little bit about it on the last conference call; it did look like you got a premium in the first quarter on the realized cobalt price. Can you give us an update on the marketing side of it and how that's progressing? Gary Brown: Sure. So the cobalt from Voisey’s Bay, of course, there's all produced at Long Harbour. So it's got good, clear prominence all the way down. We've entered into an agency agreement, so we have a representative that markets, this product. The representative is, of course, very familiar with the product they've been marketing it now for about the last five or six years. And so, it is a preferred product that goes out to market. There's a clientele that understands the product and understands what its best used for. And so, in a sense we've been able to take advantage of some of the learning’s of the previous, and we sort of wrap that into our own portfolio – into our own actions now. This is a bit of a – as this is – it's a new product for us and so there's going to be a bit of a learning curve for us. We are studying it and trying to find ways to even deliver more value as we can. Again, our belief behind the quality of the production from Voisey’s Bay with a partner like Vale and with an asset like Voisey’s Bay, this is a product that should stand out in the cobalt space as a preferred product for anything out there. And especially given how important provenance is we're really happy bringing this product into our portfolio. Puneet Singh: Okay, great. Thank you. Operator: Your next question comes from Richard Hatch from Berenberg. Richard Hatch: Good morning Randy and team. And thanks so much for your time. Just a quick one, on Pampacancha, can you give us any kind of, sort of statement as to how we should or could think about those extra deliveries or is it just the case that we have to kind of wait and see how the discussions go with there? I appreciate it's pretty small, but just kind of getting to the bones of it. Randy Smallwood: Sorry, I mean, Pampacancha is expected to be producing by here in the second quarter of this year. I think you might be referencing the penalty payments, sorry. Richard Hatch: Yes, exactly yes. Sorry if it wasn't clear yet. That's exactly it. Randy Smallwood: Yes. So, we did – given the challenges that Hudbay was facing, especially in the pandemic and trying to sort of work forward with the community down there, but having all the restrictions on the pandemic. We did give them a six-month waiver and extended the – some of the deadlines in terms of in support of their challenges of trying to work their way through the pandemic and move it forward. They have finally been successful, but it is a bit – it was a bit later than expected. And I can't give any more color, because we're still in discussions with them. So there hasn't been any final decisions. But we do intend to be supportive of Hudbay; they're a good, strong partner of ours. They're a partner that recognizes the value of streaming in terms of helping them build their company and what we can actually deliver as a partner with theirs. And so, I can't go into any other detail other than the fact that we are in discussions with them to find the way, it is interesting. There's higher payable rates for the Pampacancha zone than there is for the main Constancia pit, just because of the higher precious metal grades, it gets better recoveries. And so there's all sorts of opportunities. They also acquired some additional land in the area. There's lots of opportunities to discuss and work together. Our intent as always is to come up with a solution that not only preserves value for our shareholders, but also delivers the value to their shareholders and find a way to make sure that it's a win-win situation. And until we finalize those discussions, there is no more detail to provide because we just don't know what the final number is going to be. Richard Hatch: Understood. Yes, no worries. Thank you for that. And then just on – can I just ask one follow-up? I mean, we talked about this last quarter, just on dividends. You sold down your First Majestic shares. You've got another $112 million in the bank, moves net cash. I completely appreciate that with the rising commodity price and the way the dividend policy is kind of placed, it is a natural rising dividend payment just due to the nature of the policy and the way that commodity prices move. But a net cash balance sheet, where's your thought process on kind of raising that dividend and pushing it even higher. I mean, is it still a case that we wait to the second half of the year, see how the business development plays out and then consider it, or is there any other sort of change of view there, or is it kind of steady as you guys? Randy Smallwood: Well, before the end of this year, it'll still be steady as you go. We have entered into a number of contracts where we're actually a drip feeding into construction as these projects go into construction. And so there will be some cash going out the door. And then Haytham as he described earlier on is, he and his team are incredibly busy on the corporate development front. There's a lot of base metal interest in the world right now because copper prices and nickel prices doing what they're doing. There's a lot of interest in sort of funding and investing into growth in that space. And I would say the base metal industry has really woken up from a slumber – a long slumber and is now really focused on how do they grow. And I can't highlight how much value a stream delivers to a base metal asset when you're looking to build or expand the amount of capital that we contribute versus the share of revenue that we take away will always improve the project's internal rate of return. And we always deliver a higher value for those precious metals that we're purchasing than what they're being valued in those companies' portfolios. And so it just is it's such a positive. And we really saw that I think quite strongly in Capstone share performance once we announced the Cozamin deal back in December. It's just – it's the best way to provide equity financing for these projects going forward. So, we do see a really big opportunity set right now on the corporate development front. I've challenged Haytham, and so far he's doing a pretty good job of stepping up to it in terms of spending the money as fast as it's coming in, but we'll see. Obviously, we'll build up a bit of a war chest, but we don't want anything to get too big. I would expect that next year, if we haven't made any significant investments, and we're still well to the positive from cash balance, then we will be getting some serious consideration to what that dividend whether that – whether the dividend stays at 30% of cash flow or whether it climbs to 40% or 50% or whatever. We'll sort of see as it goes. But our primary objective is to continue looking for accretive acquisitions and put that money back into the ground in what I call the best vault of the world is ounces in the ground. Gary Brown: And Richard, if I can just add to that, we have really seeded our organic growth profile ignoring what Haytham and team are evaluating right now. So, we've got the Rosemont development project, Santo Domingo now we've got the deep zone at Marmato, the Salobo expansion. And so if you look at the payment profile associated with that, we've got about $1.6 billion of payments that come due when those projects either get completed or start moving forward. So, we always take all that into account when making capital allocation decisions. Richard Hatch: Very, very helpful and clear. Thanks, Randy. Thanks, Gary. And congrats on a very good quarter once again. Cheers. Randy Smallwood: Thanks Richard. Patrick Drouin: One last question, please. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Murphy from Barclays. Matthew Murphy: Hi, I tried to withdraw it, but since I'm here just did not to beat a dead horse on the cobalt, just checking the guidance. Does the guidance that you put out include the worked in process material that you inherited before from pre-2021? Randy Smallwood: I will admit that we underestimated it. We expected some – but we didn't, I think it was going to be that much. Matthew Murphy: Okay. So it might be… Randy Smallwood: Definitely biased towards, it looks good for cobalt production this year. Matthew Murphy: Okay. Thanks a lot. Randy Smallwood: Well, thanks everyone for dialing in and your patients in terms of some of the technical difficulties, at least on that side. It's kind of nice that we have multiple forms of technology here, and we were able to get some questions in from email. So look, I just want to – it's a good strong quarter. We believe that we are very well positioned to continue to delivering value to our shareholders, number of different reasons, low unpredictable costs, leveraged to increasing commodity prices and some of the highest margins in the entire precious metal space. Our portfolio we believe is some of the highest quality mines in the world. Good long life, low cost assets that will deliver value for a very, very long time. We enforced as with our 10-year guidance we put out. The strength of our dividend policy, unique strength to our cash flows. So we're going to see continued strength there, especially as we see the organic growth and commodity prices providing support for that. We're going to see continued strength on the dividend side. And sustainability is something that's incredibly important for us. We work with our partners on a continual basis to try and make sure that combined we as a partnership deliver the best product we can for all the stakeholders, including the communities, including the governments, including everyone else that gets benefits from these efforts. And so it's just the right thing to do. And so with that, thank you everyone for your patience in terms of working through the technical. And I do look forward to speaking with all of you again soon, hopefully sometime very soon face-to-face, fingers crossed. Thanks again. Operator: This concludes this conference call for today. Thank you for participating. Please disconnect your line.
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Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) Quarterly Earnings Preview

  • Analysts predict an EPS of $0.50 and revenue of approximately $428.2 million for the upcoming quarterly earnings.
  • Projected sales for the first quarter are around $415 million, a 39.8% increase year-over-year, despite a decrease in sales volumes.
  • WPM's financial metrics include a P/E ratio of approximately 72.85 and a strong current ratio of about 28.07, indicating robust liquidity.

Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) is a prominent player in the precious metals sector, primarily focusing on gold and silver streaming. The company is set to release its quarterly earnings on May 8, 2025. Analysts expect earnings per share (EPS) to be $0.50, with projected revenue of approximately $428.2 million. This release is highly anticipated by investors and analysts alike.

The Zacks Consensus Estimate projects WPM's first-quarter sales to reach around $415 million, marking a 39.8% increase from the previous year. Despite a decrease in sales volumes, higher gold and silver prices are expected to offset this decline. The consensus estimate for earnings is $0.50 per share, reflecting a 39% year-over-year growth. Over the past 60 days, earnings estimates have risen by 16.3%.

Historically, WPM has exceeded earnings expectations in two of the last four quarters, with an average surprise of 9.48%. The Zacks model suggests a likely earnings beat this quarter. Such positive revisions in earnings estimates often indicate potential investor reactions, as there is a strong correlation between these trends and short-term stock price movements.

WPM's financial metrics reveal a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of approximately 72.85 and a price-to-sales ratio of about 30.04. The company's enterprise value to sales ratio is around 29.41, while the enterprise value to operating cash flow ratio is approximately 36.75. WPM's earnings yield stands at about 1.37%, and its debt-to-equity ratio is extremely low at 0.0007, indicating minimal reliance on debt financing.

WPM boasts a strong current ratio of approximately 28.07, suggesting robust liquidity. The market is closely watching the upcoming earnings report, as it could significantly impact the stock's price. If WPM surpasses the expected figures, the stock might see an upward movement. Conversely, a miss could lead to a decline. The sustainability of any immediate price changes will largely depend on the management's discussion of business conditions during the earnings call.

Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) Quarterly Earnings Preview

  • Analysts predict an EPS of $0.50 and revenue of approximately $428.2 million for the upcoming quarterly earnings.
  • Projected sales for the first quarter are around $415 million, a 39.8% increase year-over-year, despite a decrease in sales volumes.
  • WPM's financial metrics include a P/E ratio of approximately 72.85 and a strong current ratio of about 28.07, indicating robust liquidity.

Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) is a prominent player in the precious metals sector, primarily focusing on gold and silver streaming. The company is set to release its quarterly earnings on May 8, 2025. Analysts expect earnings per share (EPS) to be $0.50, with projected revenue of approximately $428.2 million. This release is highly anticipated by investors and analysts alike.

The Zacks Consensus Estimate projects WPM's first-quarter sales to reach around $415 million, marking a 39.8% increase from the previous year. Despite a decrease in sales volumes, higher gold and silver prices are expected to offset this decline. The consensus estimate for earnings is $0.50 per share, reflecting a 39% year-over-year growth. Over the past 60 days, earnings estimates have risen by 16.3%.

Historically, WPM has exceeded earnings expectations in two of the last four quarters, with an average surprise of 9.48%. The Zacks model suggests a likely earnings beat this quarter. Such positive revisions in earnings estimates often indicate potential investor reactions, as there is a strong correlation between these trends and short-term stock price movements.

WPM's financial metrics reveal a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of approximately 72.85 and a price-to-sales ratio of about 30.04. The company's enterprise value to sales ratio is around 29.41, while the enterprise value to operating cash flow ratio is approximately 36.75. WPM's earnings yield stands at about 1.37%, and its debt-to-equity ratio is extremely low at 0.0007, indicating minimal reliance on debt financing.

WPM boasts a strong current ratio of approximately 28.07, suggesting robust liquidity. The market is closely watching the upcoming earnings report, as it could significantly impact the stock's price. If WPM surpasses the expected figures, the stock might see an upward movement. Conversely, a miss could lead to a decline. The sustainability of any immediate price changes will largely depend on the management's discussion of business conditions during the earnings call.

Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) Financial Overview

  • Earnings Per Share (EPS) for Q3 2024 stood at $0.34, indicating positive growth from the previous year.
  • The company's Price-to-Earnings (P/E) ratio is 51.13, reflecting high market confidence.
  • WPM's current ratio is 26.86, showcasing strong liquidity and financial stability.

Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) is a prominent player in the precious metals sector, primarily focusing on streaming agreements. These agreements allow WPM to purchase a portion of a mine's production at a fixed price, providing a stable revenue stream. The company competes with other major players like Franco-Nevada and Royal Gold in the precious metals streaming industry.

WPM's recent earnings report for the third quarter of 2024 reveals an earnings per share (EPS) of $0.34, matching Wall Street's expectations. This is a notable improvement from the previous year's EPS of $0.27, indicating positive growth. The company's revenue for the quarter is approximately $314.13 million, aligning with analyst projections.

The company's financial ratios provide further insights into its market position. With a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 51.13, investors are paying over 51 times the company's earnings, reflecting high market confidence. The price-to-sales ratio of 25.64 suggests that the market values WPM at over 25 times its annual sales, indicating strong investor interest.

WPM's enterprise value to sales ratio is 25.17, showing how the company's valuation relates to its sales. The enterprise value to operating cash flow ratio stands at 32.88, highlighting the company's ability to generate cash flow relative to its valuation. Despite a low earnings yield of 1.96%, WPM maintains a strong financial position with a minimal debt-to-equity ratio of 0.0008.

The company's liquidity is robust, as evidenced by a current ratio of 26.86. This indicates WPM's strong ability to cover short-term liabilities with its current assets, ensuring financial stability. These metrics collectively paint a picture of a company with solid financial health and promising growth prospects in the precious metals market.

Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) Financial Overview

  • Earnings Per Share (EPS) for Q3 2024 stood at $0.34, indicating positive growth from the previous year.
  • The company's Price-to-Earnings (P/E) ratio is 51.13, reflecting high market confidence.
  • WPM's current ratio is 26.86, showcasing strong liquidity and financial stability.

Wheaton Precious Metals Corp. (NYSE:WPM) is a prominent player in the precious metals sector, primarily focusing on streaming agreements. These agreements allow WPM to purchase a portion of a mine's production at a fixed price, providing a stable revenue stream. The company competes with other major players like Franco-Nevada and Royal Gold in the precious metals streaming industry.

WPM's recent earnings report for the third quarter of 2024 reveals an earnings per share (EPS) of $0.34, matching Wall Street's expectations. This is a notable improvement from the previous year's EPS of $0.27, indicating positive growth. The company's revenue for the quarter is approximately $314.13 million, aligning with analyst projections.

The company's financial ratios provide further insights into its market position. With a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 51.13, investors are paying over 51 times the company's earnings, reflecting high market confidence. The price-to-sales ratio of 25.64 suggests that the market values WPM at over 25 times its annual sales, indicating strong investor interest.

WPM's enterprise value to sales ratio is 25.17, showing how the company's valuation relates to its sales. The enterprise value to operating cash flow ratio stands at 32.88, highlighting the company's ability to generate cash flow relative to its valuation. Despite a low earnings yield of 1.96%, WPM maintains a strong financial position with a minimal debt-to-equity ratio of 0.0008.

The company's liquidity is robust, as evidenced by a current ratio of 26.86. This indicates WPM's strong ability to cover short-term liabilities with its current assets, ensuring financial stability. These metrics collectively paint a picture of a company with solid financial health and promising growth prospects in the precious metals market.