Sonos, Inc. (SONO) on Q1 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. And welcome to the Sonos Fiscal First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker’s presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Cammeron McLaughlin, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead. Cammeron McLaughlin: Patrick Spence: Thanks, Cammeron. 2021 is off to a great start for Sonos. I’m so proud and appreciative of all the hard work by our team and our partners. These results are incredible in their own right, but doubly so in the face of the pandemic and all the challenges it brings. Well, we anticipated delivering a strong first quarter our results were meaningfully ahead of our expectations. On the heels of the strength, the momentum we continue to see and our ambitious roadmap, we have an even greater confidence in our ability to drive transformational 2021 results. We are increasing our outlook for the year on all of our key metrics. As I highlighted last quarter, we have hit an important inflection point that proves that our unique model delivers for both customers and investors. Our approach from the beginning has been to build a system of premium products and now services that deliver an amazing experience whether you start with one of them or start with many. This creates a virtuous cycle where customers return to add additional Sonos products and services over time. Brittany Bagley: Thank you, Patrick. We are thrilled to be starting fiscal 2021 on such a positive note, delivering well in excess of our expectations and further solidifying our ability to deliver a record year. Let me add some color on our strong first quarter results and our increased fiscal 2021 outlook. Starting with the first quarter, we delivered adjusted EBITDA of $166 million. This was a 78% increase, compared to our $93 million last year. Excluding tariffs, duties and refunds in each of the quarters adjusted EBITDA increased 45% over Q1 of last year. Our adjusted EBITDA represents a 25.8% EBITDA margin, compared to 16.6% last year. This is our most profitable quarter ever. We were able to deliver this tremendous result due to strong leverage and topline growth. Revenue in the first quarter increased 15% or 12% on a constant currency basis to nearly $646 million, as we continue to experience strong demand for our new and existing products, and an overall strong holiday selling season. Revenue exceeded our expectations because we pulled more supply into the quarter through our efforts around air freight and overall shipping and logistics processes globally. Operator: And your first question comes from the line of Adam Tindle from Raymond James. Your line is open. Adam Tindle: Okay. Thanks. Good afternoon. Patrick, I just wanted to start on additional color on the record number of new customers in the quarter. As I think about, historically, something like the IKEA partnership, for example, a few years ago that allowed you to reach a new demographic, but there’s nothing I can really point to this quarter. So I’m just wondering if there’s some additional color as to what’s driving that this quarter. And I imagine you’re going to allude to a network effect essentially. So why is that reaching an inflection now? Patrick Spence: Yeah. Thanks, Adam. The first thing, I would say, I think, there’s really three things. And the first, I’d say is, obviously, there’s more people at home. So I do think that has something to do with it. I think the second is around what we’ve seen in terms of stream -- in streaming video and really a lot of customers started a lot of the streaming services now, running first run movies simultaneously in theaters and as well at home and more people spending time there. That -- our home theater results were fantastic. So I think that is something that is a tailwind for us. And then, finally, is the flywheel or network effect, like you mentioned, which really as we’ve seen and hit that inflection point in fiscal Q4, the fact that the number one driver remains people telling their friends and family about Sonos. I think really we see that just building on itself time and time again, and it built to another degree in this quarter and so I think that bodes well for momentum in the future. But those are the three kind of catalysts we saw this quarter. Adam Tindle: That’s helpful. And maybe just as a follow up, I wanted to ask on the Google litigation. You had the Legrand license win just a couple months ago. If I recall correctly, I think, there’s some dates approaching for the Google litigation in spring/summer timeframe. So just wondering if this Legrand licensing win gives you some momentum into the Google decision and any color or context you can give us around Google litigation update? Thank you. Eddie Lazarus: Adam, it’s Eddie Lazarus, the Chief Legal Officer, to respond to that. Hi, everybody. So in terms of dates, we have two very active cases against Google right now. The first up is in the International Trade Commission and that will go to trial on February 22nd, so coming right up. And we would expect a preliminary decision out of the ITC in early May. And then in addition to that, that case involves five patents. And then we have a second case in the Western District of Texas that involves five completely different patents. And that case is expected to go to what’s called the Markman Hearing in July of this year, that’s a hearing where the patent -- certain patent terms are defined and then that is scheduled for trial in June of 2022. So that’s on a quite healthy schedule as well. I wouldn’t draw any direct connection between the Legrand agreement and the Google litigation. We’ll just say that we have started entering into license agreements with a number of companies. That process is ongoing, and I’d say, it reflects the strength and vitality of our IP portfolio, which has been ranked among the most valuable consistently by outside experts. Adam Tindle: Okay. Thanks to you both and congrats on the strong results. Patrick Spence: Thanks, Adam. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Katy Huberty from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Katy Huberty: Thank you. Good afternoon. Did the upside in the quarter come mostly from the direct business or have you started to see retailers ramping inventory levels as foot traffic recovers? I’m just trying to understand whether that restocking catalyst is still in front of you or you started to see that in the December quarter and then have a follow up? Brittany Bagley: Hey, Katy. It’s Brittany. So we saw really strengthen our products across the board. But because we were supply constrained for the quarter, I would say that, it’s safe to say that there is restocking in front of us as we continue to get all those products back in stock. Katy Huberty: Okay. Great. And then you did not flow through the entire EBITDA be it from the first quarter to the full year guide. And so just want to get some color as to whether your view of profitability in the coming quarters has changed and whether because of the strength that you saw in the first quarter, you’re looking to step up investments, I know, you mentioned higher compensation expense? Brittany Bagley: Yeah. So, overall, we still expect higher profitability for the year and higher gross margin -- gross and EBITDA margins for the year than what we were looking at before. But we do have some additional OpEx investments to make to support that higher revenue. So that’s coming for us both in sales and marketing, in our direct channel to support those businesses and then it is coming in incentive compensation. Katy Huberty: Okay. And then just one for Patrick, I mean, clearly, you’re not going to talk about future products. But in the past, we’ve seen three categories of launches. One is just upgrades of existing products. The other is price point expansion with an existing TAM. And then, the third is real TAM expansion. Any color as to which of those three categories we should expect that you might address over the next year with the two new product launches? Patrick Spence: I think it’s fair to say all of them. Katy Huberty: Okay. Thank you. Congrats on the quarter. Patrick Spence: Thanks, Katy. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Rod Hall from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Rod Hall: Yeah. Hi. Thanks for the question and great quarter. So I wanted to start off with the -- go back to the litigation and in particular, the ITC situation and just ask, we’ve seen this kind of ITC cases come before. And even though the ITC may rule in one direction or another, let’s say, they rule for you, there tends to be a delay and many times not an implementation of that ruling. So is there anything that you could say from your point of view that would make us think that, whatever that ruling is we will stick or do you think that there’s going to be a kind of a lengthy process of back and forth, whereby nothing gets implemented? And then I have a follow up. Eddie Lazarus: I would just say that we have a great deal of confidence in all the cases that we bring. And we believe that Google is infringing a very substantial portion of our patent portfolio and that we’re going to continue with this process until we vindicate our IP rights. Rod Hall: Okay. Great. Thank you. And then I wanted to come back to just the supply situation, we continue to hear that there are growing problems in semiconductor supplies globally. And I wonder if you guys could talk a little bit about what you’re seeing there and whether you expect to see, you’ve talked about the supply constraints already, but do you see a worsening situation there? How does that affect your ability to deliver products the next couple of quarters? Thanks. Patrick Spence: Yeah. Yeah. Rod, it’s Patrick. I’ll take that. The -- that’s something, well, we’ve been dealing with in the quarter as well, just as everything has ramped back up and demand and those kind of things. And I think Brittany hit it in her comments about the work by our operations and supply chain team. They’ve just done an incredible job. And one of the things we invested in is getting ahead to make sure that we have the components that we need, as we think about the year and really we’ve been investing aggressively to try and catch up to the demand. And so in our forward outlook, we’ve factored in what we can see and that what the team is managing at this particular point in time. As you well know, this is an ongoing thing that we deal with all the time around different components and different things and so it’s particularly acute I know for automakers right now. We think we’re in good shape in terms of where we are at this particular point in time. Rod Hall: That’s great. Thanks, Patrick. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of John Babcock from Bank of America. Your line is open. John Babcock: Thanks for taking my questions. Just starting out, I know you launched the Sonos HD back in November. Just wanted to get a quick sense for how that’s performing relative to expectations? Brittany Bagley: Hey, John. It’s a little early for us to really be talking about that. We’ve only had it in the market a couple of months. But look for us to provide some sort of update on both HD and our ad supported business at our Investor event in March. John Babcock: Okay. Thanks. And then I don’t recall any specific kind of numbers provided around kind of DTC growth and how much that was as a percentage of revenue, as well as you might be able to provide some color around that? And then, I guess, the other piece, I mean, just overall, with gross margin, I think that was solely above your guidance. I was just wondering if you might be able to provide a little bit more color on where the variance was relative to where you were expecting last quarter. Brittany Bagley: Yeah. I can hit both of those. Look, Patrick, had some commentary about how DTC continued to accelerate and continue to be very strong for us. No sort of change in our guidance relative to what we outline in Q4 in terms of what we’re looking for, for the year and we’ll provide an update at the end of the year in terms of where we land on DTC as a percentage of revenue. So stay tuned on that. But I did also talk about how that has been one of the positive drivers for us on gross margin. So if you think about what I talked about in terms of gross margin improvement, it’s really been better product mix relative to what we were expecting, better channel mix relative to what we were expecting and a lot of that is a benefit from DTC. The supply chain team has done a great job getting down material cost even through this challenging supply chain time. And so those are some of the benefits offset a bit by the overall logistics and shipping costs that we and everybody else has been facing in the quarter. John Babcock: Okay. And then if you don’t mind me, just with one quick follow up, just on EBITDA for the quarter, can you just quantify overall what benefit you had from tariffs? It sounds like you might have, perhaps, had some money that you guys were saving, so maybe that benefited EBITDA, but just want to kind of clarify that? Brittany Bagley: Yeah. Sure. So we had pretty minimal tariffs expense for the quarter and then we started receiving refunds in the quarter. And so our net benefit was $3 million and so that hits gross margins. So there’s a net $3 million benefits that you see coming through in gross margin and then that does flow all the way through the EBITDA. John Babcock: Okay. Thanks, Brittany. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Brent Thill from Jefferies. Your line is open. Unidentified Analyst: Good afternoon. This is James on for Brent. Thank you for taking my questions. Could you talk about the promotional activity that you saw in the holiday quarter and how much do you think that impacted your revenue and profitability? And compared to prior holiday quarters, would you say that this year was more or less promotional than prior years and I have a follow up? Brittany Bagley: I would say that our promotional activity this year was very consistent with last year’s promotional activity. What I would say is, probably, the difference that you saw from us and really everyone in the industry is that it happened a little bit earlier this year relative to normal. People just got started with that earlier given shipping lead times and some of the logistics around the holiday quarter. What I would say is that that’s always a benefit for us in this quarter. One of the reasons that the holiday quarter is our seasonally biggest quarter for the year and then you see that I think reflected all the way through our P&L, as you see we outperformed on gross margin and EBITDA. So no negative impact from typical promotional activity, Unidentified Analyst: Great. And digging a little bit deeper into your geographic performance, what are your expectations for APAC this year, given the work you’ve done on IKEA? Just curious if you’re starting to see any evidence of a rebound following pretty aggressive physical store closures in that region and curious if your guidance assumes any material snapback in that particular region? Thanks. Brittany Bagley: Yeah. So I would remind you that inside of APAC we report both APAC and we report IKEA. And so what we’re really calling out for the APAC region is that those numbers are getting hit right now because of IKEA. So IKEA has had in store closures across their stores and that will really depend on COVID. And when they actually reopen and then as Patrick has talked about, we are expecting new product launches with them coming up and so the timing of when the product launches happen and how they transition to those new products, obviously, gets factored into their outlook and their revenue as well. Unidentified Analyst: Great. Thanks so much. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tevis Robinson from D.A. Davidson. Your line is open. Tevis Robinson: Thanks so much and congrats on a fantastic quarter. I was just wanting to get a better understanding of where we stand on inventory, including your ability to maintain supply of your top selling products. I know you mentioned that you’re out -- still out of stock on three products and expected to become back in stock in the second quarter, before this Q3 you’re not able to maintain supply. Do you think that they’re lost sales or do you think that the consumers are waiting for them to become once get in-stock? Thank you. Brittany Bagley: Sure. Happy to answer that. So, what we said specifically is that, as expected we are getting back into a better in-stock position on the majority of our products in Q2, but there are three products, Arc, Amp and Move, which will likely continue to be out of stock into Q3. That’s because we continue to see really excellent demand for those products and are working to keep up there. That is really sort of a challenge that we’ve had ongoing for the last couple of quarters as we’ve been chasing supply. And we have and continue to be very pleasantly surprised by how willing our customers have been to wait for their products to come in. I think you can probably see it. You are getting back in stock now. So it’s a little bit less obvious. But the shipping times and the lead times on some of those products and then the fact that we are still absolutely beating revenue forecasts, I think combined to paint a picture of just how willing people have been to wait for our products. And that’s really because they are fantastic product and when you are a part of the Sonos system, it’s worth waiting for a product that works inside your Sonos system. So you’re seeing the loyalty of our customers and the benefit of that system, yes, Patrick talks about. Tevis Robinson: Thank you. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matt Sheerin from Stifel. Your line is open. Matt Sheerin: Yes. Thank you very much. I wanted to ask just about your guidance, topline guidance for the year, which you basically raising it by roughly $75 million. You just came off of a quarter that beat consensus by roughly $55 million. So just trying to get a sense of, is that a conservative view reflecting what you just talked about the product constraints and those issues? Are you being conservative and what should we think about sort of the cadence of the quarters through the year? Typical seasonality or less than seasonal, because there’s not as much inventory in the channels as you talked about as it typically is going into Q2? Brittany Bagley: Yeah. Look, I would say, we do our best to share what we know right now. I think, as we called out, when we gave the guidance, we continue to have supply chain challenges, and of course, there’s questions about what will the world look like, as we get all of the vaccines rolled out and stuff like that. We continue to be pretty confident in our ability to manage through those supply chain challenges and in our ability to maintain a really relevant and wonderful product for people in their home. Even as vaccines potentially roll out, I think, we know that the world isn’t going back to normal overnight. It doesn’t look like work is necessarily going to go back to normal. So I think some of these trends of people staying in their homes, consuming content in their homes, continuing to watch movies at home rather than in movie theaters is really here to stay, which is why you see us carrying more than just a beat from Q1 through to the quarter even with all of that going on. So that’s really what we’re looking at when we look out at the rest of the year. In terms of seasonality, nothing to call out for the rest of the year, really we’re not providing any kind of quarterly guidance other than sort of the color around when we expect to be back in stock on some of our products. Matt Sheerin: Okay. And your gross -- thank you for that. And your gross margin guidance over the year, they’re pretty robust. And how should we think about any impact from higher percentage of sales through the channel as some of those channel partners like Best Buy and IKEA come back. Is that going to be just offset by your continued strength in direct-to-consumer, as well as improving product mix with new products? Brittany Bagley: I would say, we’ve sort of factored in everything we know about both product mix and what’s coming from the new product standpoint and channel mix to the best that we can predict it into that gross margin forecasts that we provided. Matt Sheerin: Okay. Thanks very much. Brittany Bagley: Thank you. Operator: And there are no further questions at this time. Patrick Spence, I turn the call back over to you for some closing remarks. Patrick Spence: Great. Thanks, Rob, and thanks to all of you for joining us. It was a fantastic quarter. We’re off to a great start for the year. I’ve never been more excited about the future of Sonos. I think we’ve got some great momentum, we’ve got a great brand and we have an amazing roadmap. So we look forward to seeing everybody on March 9th for our very first Investor event and sharing some more details of the future then. Take care everybody. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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