SM Energy Company (SM) on Q1 2022 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Good day. Thank you for standing by and welcome to the SM Energy First Quarter 2022 Financial and Operating Results Q&A. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Jennifer Samuels, VP of Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead. Jennifer Samuels: Good morning and thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2022 Q&A call. To answer your questions today, we have our President and CEO, Herb Vogel and CFO, Wade Pursell. Before we get started our discussion today may include forward-looking statements and discussion of non-GAAP measures. I direct you to Slide 2 of the accompanying slide deck, Page 4 of the accompanying earnings release and the Risk Factors section of our most recently filed 10-K and 10-Q, which describe risks associated with forward-looking statements that could cause actual results to differ. We may also refer to non-GAAP measures. Please see slide deck appendix and earnings release for definitions and reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and discussion of forward looking non-GAAP measures. Also look this morning for our first quarter 10-Q, which we have filed. And with that, I will turn it back to the Operator to take your questions. Operator: The first question comes from the line of Leo Mariani from KeyBanc. Leo Mariani: Just wanted to touch base with you here on CapEx. So just wanted to get the sense in terms of the year here in '22. Is the second quarter CapEx really going to be the peak and is there a noticeable drop off in the fourth quarter? Perhaps, there's a frac holiday or something like that? And then just additionally, is a frac holiday if that is the case in the fourth quarter, is that something that can still be feasible in this kind of tighter service environment and might you have to keep crews on? Herb Vogel: Thanks Leo, this is Herb. On CapEx first, you probably saw in the first quarter that we were under spend by about 20 million. And we really just -- that's just timing, and we moved that into the second quarter. The peak activities relate 2Q and 3Q and so that leads to more production in 3Q and 4Q. We really like to keep crews running consistently, if at all possible, because we get much better capital efficiency that way. So we'll do what we can to just line things out with steady activity through the year. That's really the way it works. Leo Mariani: And I just also wanted to ask about return of capital, just kind of reading some of the prepared comments in the transcript, it sound like you all believe you'll hit your debt metrics in the fourth quarter. So it sounds like maybe the board or whatever will be in a position in the fourth quarter to maybe make a decision on a return of capital and that will be something that investors will receive in '23? Just wanted to make sure I kind of understood the timing and mechanics there. Wade Pursell: Yeah, no, you heard the comments, right, Leo. I mean, we've been pretty clear about our targets and we're approaching really quickly, one times leverage, but also want to absolutely get down to $1 billion. And things stay the way they are right now commodity prices, et cetera, that should occur sometime in the fourth quarter, as you indicated, and that would be the time that we would start looking at a potential return of cash to shareholders. And too early to talk about what that might look like that it would be something that we feel very confident in being sustainable. And then the method would be based on things that we would analyze at that time. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Zach Parham from JPMorgan. Zach Parham: I guess one, just kind of based on production trajectory for the rest of the year. With your guide 2Q will be the third straight quarter of declining oil volumes after a big ramp in the backhalf of '21. Can you talk a little bit about the trajectory of oil production in the back half of the year and into '23? Herb Vogel: Yeah, Zach, this is Herb. There's some history there with how much we ramped up in '21 in 2Q and 3Q following the weather event in Texas. So that kind of changed how we ended '21 and how we started '22 with relatively few completions at that time. So as we step through '22 and our activity level’s pretty flat here and we wind up with more and more completions coming on, that's what leads to great production in 3Q and 4Q. And then in 4Q, we have those four Permian tabs we've talked about before. So those don't come online, that's 20 well, that don't come online until early '23. So it's really difficult to look at the quarterly cadence type of numbers for us. When we have those sorts of things going on, we just see it year-over-year. We're really focused on that plan to increase and maximize free cash flow over a two to three year period. And that's how the plan is designed. That's pretty much the way you should look at it, the way you see it, year-over-year low-single-digit production growth and -- but generating a lot of free cash flow. Zach Parham : And just one on the Eagle Ford. In the prepared remarks, you talked about completing some Eagle Ford wells in 1Q and then three more Eagle Ford completions in 2Q. Can you talk about what drove the decision to drill some Eagle Ford wells versus spending that capital in the Austin Chalk and kind of how you think about that drilling Eagle Ford wells going forward? Herb Vogel: So a couple of things. So there were two of them that we talked about where we would talk about the payouts already delivered. And those were tied together with 7 Austin Chalk wells. So they were right in that development. So it made sense to pretty much stagger those in. The newest to our DUCs that we've had sitting around for a while, we have some other Eagle Ford DUCs. So it's very capital efficient. Commodity prices are right. It made a lot of sense to do those. But those were in our original plan for the year. I think we talked about 38 completions for the year, I believe around 30 of those are Austin Chalk, maybe 32 and 6 to 8 are Eagle Ford. So that was the original plan, but very capital efficient when we can get to the DUCs. Operator: Your next question comes the line of Michael Scialla from Stifel. Michael Scialla : Just looking at Slide 6 it shows you're -- in your slide deck, it shows your capital efficiency’s among the best in the industry over the last five years. Just want to see if you could provide any update on current wealth costs. It's been a while since you've put anything out on wealth costs? Wade Pursell: So, we're still running off a contract in the first quarter that we've had for a while, so. And that goes for 2Q largely baked in costs that we had contracted a while ago. So that really helps us on the capital efficiency side. The others, we continue to use the same drilling and completion service providers. So what happens is we actually wind up drilling faster than expected. So when you see things happening within it's really just things happen faster, and we don't make that in our budget process. But every year we think we're at peak efficiency and then we do better. So that's really just a really experienced team with sustained commitment to those service providers. Michael Scialla : So is it fair to say, you're still in the sub $700 per foot range with those given those contracts and the efficiencies that you're seeing? Wade Pursell: Yes, definitely. Michael Scialla : And then one of your largest competitors in the Midland basin just recently mentioned, they're having issues getting sand, wanted to see if you guys are having any problems with that and any plans to address that if it does become an issue for you? Herb Vogel: No, Mike, we're really fortunate that, we were quite strategic in getting sand supply committed in 2017 being the anchor customer of a new sand mine in Lamesa. And we also use their logistics arm. So we have not had any sand availability problems at all. And we're real pleased with that relationship. It continues to deliver and as I said, we found mines closer to our operations. So we cut down on the last mile logistics costs. Operator: You have a follow-up question from Michael Scialla from Stifel. Michael Scialla: I know it's a continuous process when you're working on your well design. It sounds like you're pretty far along within Midland now. Can you see where you are in terms of the Chalk? Maybe in terms of innings relative to where you are in the Midland in the completion design? Herb Vogel: Mike, that's a great question. So, we are in the -- you're probably aware, last quarter, we talked about that additional 18 million in data gathering, which will help us optimize the completion design. And we're in the midst of gathering that data. In some cases, we've got some additional data. So we're hard at it, we have not implemented anything really differently so far. There's one minor variation, but that's -- there's still lots to come. The interesting thing though is that, we've noticed now that there's 11 operators active in Webb County in the Austin Chalk, five of them are public and six are private. So our well results have definitely been noticed by industry. So activity is picking up out there. Michael Scialla: Anything you can say in terms of the – are you seeing any other wells being drilled and plans? Do you share data with any of these or any thoughts around how you approach the competition? Herb Vogel: Yeah. So Mike, we do engage with a few of the other participants on data trade, and then some of them are -- other ones are quite new. And then we're in the oilier part. So we're not doing that much with the dry gas folks down there. But it's encouraging to see and I'm looking forward to seeing what the well results are looking like as they sort out the right landing zone. Some of the early wells were probably not in the optimal landing zone and now you see people moving towards the better landing zones. Michael Scialla: I know you were asked about the Eagle Ford earlier, I just wanted to follow-up on that. Looks like those wells are, you’d mentioned there once, is that strictly attributable to higher prices or did you do anything different with the completion design at Eagle Ford relative to what you were doing previously? Herb Vogel: Well, our price has definitely helped there, the completion design is pretty much the same that we've been running in the Eagle Ford. There were a couple that were drilled in 2019 and those are targeting great landing zone and they're decently long laterals, and that helps also. But we do feel like we have a great Eagle Ford option out there in -- that's really not much in our approved reserves, but it's out there in our inventory. So if there is a sustained high gas price out there, we have quite a bit of inventory to come after. Michael Scialla: And then I guess just one last one in terms of inventory, anything different on the 400 locations that you've talked about in the target? I know you’ve got 40 wells now that you've delineated the play with, still looking at that 400 locations as kind of the best number for the inventory there. Any update there? Herb Vogel: Mike, we're sticking with 400 now. We'll see what more we can do. But 400 is quite a bit of runway in front of us. And we'll work to optimize that over time. So, but it's just a great resource base out there. Operator: Your next question comes to line of Scott Hanold from RBC Capital Markets. Scott Hanold: I'm just kind of curious. And as you started looking into 2023, there's a lot of obviously concerns about Permian gas takeaway, and your production in the Permian typically is a little bit more oily. But can you remind us of how you’re positioned there if you've got, firm takeaway that's going to be ample and not seeing these issues? And also in the Eagle Ford, given the I guess, larger kind of gas component there, is there -- can you just remind us of what the gas takeaway capacity for you guys is in the Eagle Ford? And how you guys price that, are you seeing some pretty good differentials to be able to get into the LNG corridor or other places? Herb Vogel: So, let's go on the Permian gas takeaway. So kind of the perception last quarter was that we see quite a bit of tightness in the takeaway in fourth quarter of '23. Since that time Kinder has gone out there and said, they'd be able to do compression expansions and those would be online by fourth quarter of '23. That really pushes things out where you wouldn't be oversight applied until the back half of '24. We're not really changing our plans at all for any of this, because on the volume risk side, most of our purchasers hold firm capacity or they're selling in the fair markets. So we don't expect any production contaminants there. That's on the volume side. And then on the price risk side, things do start getting tight. We've put basis hedges in place, you'll see in our appendix, we've got base hedges in place through ‘25. So that mitigates the risk on pricing if there is a flow out some sort. But overall, it's going to depend on supply and demand. Out at the Permian, people really crank up production when that shortfall might occur. But it's encouraging to see the midstream are stepping up and making sure that we can deliver the gas which allows the oil to flow. So that's the Permian. On the Eagle Ford, you're probably aware that there was a lot of gas production out of the Eagle Ford, mid-decade, from 2014, '15. So there's a lot of fair takeaway capacity and what we see and have baked in for July '23 and beyond is some of our old legacy contracts that were at higher takeaway costs, higher takeaway – basically, costs. They'll drop by about $0.35 an Mcf. And there's plenty of capacity. As to LNG uplift, we were really just going to be going with the marker. So if LNG pulled up Houston Ship Channel or Tennessee Zone 0 or Hub, we would see it brought in that way. We wouldn't see it directly where we could access an international on the LNG side. Scott Hanold: Okay. And back to the Permian, can you tell us the purchasers that take away your gas there, you said they affirm capacity. Can you say where that capacity is on there? Is there like ample room on those lines right now, or is that -- do you have, as you look at your projections, I guess through '24, I mean, do you have that pretty much locked in? Herb Vogel: So what we do is we sell to the purchaser at the wellhead, and the purchaser only will sell to parties who represent that they have firm capacity on the line or are selling into a firm market, like a local market. So that's how we mitigate the volume risk. We won't sell to somebody who doesn't have any capacity at all. So because they have that capacity, so let's say they have 20% of one of the pipelines and 15% of another line’s capacity, that's where our Mcf will flow. Scott Hanold: And then my follow-up question is, as you start --- and I think this quarter you guys didn't book a valuation allowance in taxes, can you remind us your positioning on cash taxes and at this commodity price drip when that could occur? Wade Pursell: It’s Wade. I would assume that things stay the way they are currently with the strip and in our kind of our steady activity profile that we would probably begin paying some cash taxes later this year, in the kind of teen and mid-teens million area. So not significant, obviously. On a go forward basis, and this is very round forecasting, but I see something for us that getting up to kind of peaking in an area of the 100 million to 150 million a year. And that again, that assumes that kind of a strip type price. So obviously that assumes a significant amount of free cash flow, offsetting that. But that's kind of where things could be added, assuming there's no big changes. Scott Hanold: Yeah, and just out of curiosity, what is that like 100 million to 150 million in play on a effective cash tax rate on pre-tax income? Wade Pursell: Yeah, it's certainly well south of the statutory rate, the 20% area, it's wealthy under there. Scott Hanold: Yeah, are we talking like 10%, 15%? Somewhere in there around 10%? Wade Pursell: Yeah, very round numbers, probably somewhere in the half of the statutory tax rate area, but that's very round numbers. But that's simply because of the assumption that we continue with a steady capital program, all of the tax rules stayed where they are, IDCs, et cetera. As long as those things are in place, that's what's going to happen with respect to our rate -- effective rates. Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Herb Vogel for closing remarks. Herb Vogel: Thank you all for your interest in SM Energy. Since I’ve got the time when this started, if you ask me why invest in SM Energy now? Just consider the key attributes. First, we’re producing top tier flow breaking assets in two great basins, #1 and #4 in the country. We’re able to generate significant free cash flow. We’re rapidly paying off debt, and really moving EV to equity. We’re definitely a premier operator pushing technical advancements to add value. And we’re enjoying an intrinsic increase from NAV or EV from confirmation in the Austin Chalks. So thanks again for your interest. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for your participation, you may now disconnect.
SM Energy (NYSE:SM) Quarterly Earnings Preview
- SM Energy is set to release its quarterly earnings on May 1, 2025, with an expected EPS of $1.57 and revenue of approximately $819.8 million.
- The company's valuation is highlighted by a P/E ratio of 3.47 and a price-to-sales ratio of 1, indicating a potentially attractive investment opportunity.
- Concerns regarding liquidity are noted with a current ratio of 0.55, suggesting potential challenges in meeting short-term obligations.
SM Energy (NYSE:SM) is preparing to release its quarterly earnings on May 1, 2025. Analysts predict an earnings per share (EPS) of $1.57, with revenue expected to reach approximately $819.8 million. SM Energy is a company involved in the exploration and production of oil and natural gas, competing with other energy firms in the industry.
The anticipated year-over-year increase in earnings for SM is driven by higher revenues for the quarter ending March 2025. This positive outlook is supported by the consensus, which suggests a favorable earnings picture. However, the actual results compared to these estimates will play a crucial role in influencing the stock's near-term price movement.
SM's financial metrics provide insight into its valuation. The company has a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 3.47, indicating a relatively low valuation compared to its earnings. Additionally, the price-to-sales ratio is about 1, suggesting that its market value is nearly equal to its sales. These figures highlight the company's current market position.
The enterprise value to sales ratio of 2.01 and the enterprise value to operating cash flow ratio of 3.01 reflect SM's valuation in relation to its cash flow. The earnings yield of 28.86% measures the return on investment for shareholders, indicating a potentially attractive investment opportunity. However, the debt-to-equity ratio of 0.64 shows a moderate level of debt compared to equity.
Despite these positive indicators, SM's current ratio of 0.55 suggests potential liquidity concerns, as it is below the standard threshold of 1. This means the company may face challenges in meeting its short-term obligations. The management's discussion during the earnings call will be crucial in determining the sustainability of any immediate price changes and future earnings expectations.
SM Energy (NYSE:SM) Quarterly Earnings Preview
- SM Energy is set to release its quarterly earnings on May 1, 2025, with an expected EPS of $1.57 and revenue of approximately $819.8 million.
- The company's valuation is highlighted by a P/E ratio of 3.47 and a price-to-sales ratio of 1, indicating a potentially attractive investment opportunity.
- Concerns regarding liquidity are noted with a current ratio of 0.55, suggesting potential challenges in meeting short-term obligations.
SM Energy (NYSE:SM) is preparing to release its quarterly earnings on May 1, 2025. Analysts predict an earnings per share (EPS) of $1.57, with revenue expected to reach approximately $819.8 million. SM Energy is a company involved in the exploration and production of oil and natural gas, competing with other energy firms in the industry.
The anticipated year-over-year increase in earnings for SM is driven by higher revenues for the quarter ending March 2025. This positive outlook is supported by the consensus, which suggests a favorable earnings picture. However, the actual results compared to these estimates will play a crucial role in influencing the stock's near-term price movement.
SM's financial metrics provide insight into its valuation. The company has a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of 3.47, indicating a relatively low valuation compared to its earnings. Additionally, the price-to-sales ratio is about 1, suggesting that its market value is nearly equal to its sales. These figures highlight the company's current market position.
The enterprise value to sales ratio of 2.01 and the enterprise value to operating cash flow ratio of 3.01 reflect SM's valuation in relation to its cash flow. The earnings yield of 28.86% measures the return on investment for shareholders, indicating a potentially attractive investment opportunity. However, the debt-to-equity ratio of 0.64 shows a moderate level of debt compared to equity.
Despite these positive indicators, SM's current ratio of 0.55 suggests potential liquidity concerns, as it is below the standard threshold of 1. This means the company may face challenges in meeting its short-term obligations. The management's discussion during the earnings call will be crucial in determining the sustainability of any immediate price changes and future earnings expectations.
SM Energy Company (NYSE:SM) Stock Price Target Trends and Earnings Expectations
- The consensus price target for SM Energy Company (NYSE:SM) has gradually decreased over the past year, indicating analysts' adjusted expectations.
- Analysts predict a decline in earnings for SM Energy in its upcoming report, influencing target price adjustments.
- Investors should consider various factors, including target price trends, company news, and industry developments, to make informed decisions.
SM Energy Company (NYSE:SM), based in Denver, Colorado, is an independent energy company that focuses on the acquisition, exploration, development, and production of oil, natural gas, and natural gas liquids. The company operates primarily in Texas, with a significant presence in the Midland Basin and South Texas. Over the past year, SM Energy's stock has experienced fluctuations in its consensus target price, reflecting changes in market conditions and company performance.
The consensus price target for SM Energy's stock has shown a gradual decrease over the past year. Last month, the average price target was $51.5, down from $53 in the previous quarter, and $55.09 a year ago. This trend suggests that analysts have adjusted their expectations, possibly due to various factors affecting the energy sector. As highlighted by Zacks, analysts are predicting a decline in earnings for SM Energy in its upcoming report, which may have influenced these target price adjustments.
John Gerdes from MKM Partners has set a price target of $52 for SM Energy, indicating a cautious outlook. Investors should be aware of the key expectations surrounding the company's upcoming earnings report. SM Energy plans to release its third quarter 2024 financial and operating results after market hours on October 31, 2024. The release will include an earnings report, a pre-recorded webcast discussing the results, and an associated presentation, all of which will be available on the company's website.
Investors interested in SM Energy should consider these target price trends alongside other factors, such as recent company news, earnings reports, and industry developments, to make informed decisions. The anticipated decline in earnings, as noted by Zacks, may impact investor sentiment and influence future price targets. Keeping an eye on the company's performance and market conditions will be crucial for those looking to invest in SM Energy.
SM Energy Company (NYSE:SM) Stock Price Target Trends and Earnings Expectations
- The consensus price target for SM Energy Company (NYSE:SM) has gradually decreased over the past year, indicating analysts' adjusted expectations.
- Analysts predict a decline in earnings for SM Energy in its upcoming report, influencing target price adjustments.
- Investors should consider various factors, including target price trends, company news, and industry developments, to make informed decisions.
SM Energy Company (NYSE:SM), based in Denver, Colorado, is an independent energy company that focuses on the acquisition, exploration, development, and production of oil, natural gas, and natural gas liquids. The company operates primarily in Texas, with a significant presence in the Midland Basin and South Texas. Over the past year, SM Energy's stock has experienced fluctuations in its consensus target price, reflecting changes in market conditions and company performance.
The consensus price target for SM Energy's stock has shown a gradual decrease over the past year. Last month, the average price target was $51.5, down from $53 in the previous quarter, and $55.09 a year ago. This trend suggests that analysts have adjusted their expectations, possibly due to various factors affecting the energy sector. As highlighted by Zacks, analysts are predicting a decline in earnings for SM Energy in its upcoming report, which may have influenced these target price adjustments.
John Gerdes from MKM Partners has set a price target of $52 for SM Energy, indicating a cautious outlook. Investors should be aware of the key expectations surrounding the company's upcoming earnings report. SM Energy plans to release its third quarter 2024 financial and operating results after market hours on October 31, 2024. The release will include an earnings report, a pre-recorded webcast discussing the results, and an associated presentation, all of which will be available on the company's website.
Investors interested in SM Energy should consider these target price trends alongside other factors, such as recent company news, earnings reports, and industry developments, to make informed decisions. The anticipated decline in earnings, as noted by Zacks, may impact investor sentiment and influence future price targets. Keeping an eye on the company's performance and market conditions will be crucial for those looking to invest in SM Energy.
SM Energy Reports Q1 EPS Beat But Revenues Lower Than Expected
SM Energy (NYSE:SM) reported its Q1 results, with EPS of $1.62 beating the Street estimate of $1.28. Revenue was $573.5 million, coming in worse than the Street estimate of $584.7 million.
Production outperformance in Q1 was largely related to improved well performance and bringing on 7 new wells a week early.
The strong performance from the South Texas wells and a good base decline on PDP wells bode well for free cash flow in 2023. Operational efficiency is also improving with faster drilling times resulting from co-development.
SM Energy Reports Q1 EPS Beat But Revenues Lower Than Expected
SM Energy (NYSE:SM) reported its Q1 results, with EPS of $1.62 beating the Street estimate of $1.28. Revenue was $573.5 million, coming in worse than the Street estimate of $584.7 million.
Production outperformance in Q1 was largely related to improved well performance and bringing on 7 new wells a week early.
The strong performance from the South Texas wells and a good base decline on PDP wells bode well for free cash flow in 2023. Operational efficiency is also improving with faster drilling times resulting from co-development.
