Mastech Digital, Inc. (MHH) on Q1 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Greetings, and welcome to the Mastech Digital Inc. Quarter One 2021 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Jennifer Ford Lacey, Manager of Legal Affairs for Mastech Digital Incorporated. Thank you Ms. Ford Lacey. You may begin.
Jennifer Ford Lacey: Thank you operator, and welcome to Mastech Digital's first quarter 2021 conference call. If you have not yet received a copy of our earnings announcement, it can be obtained from our website at www.mastechdigital.com.
Jack Cronin: Thanks Jen, and good morning everyone. The first quarter had some strong indication that the COVID-19 pandemic is dissipating with respect to its impact on a macroeconomic environment. Activity levels generally increased during the quarter with the rate of increase very materially from industry to industry, and geography to geography. For instance, our IT staffing services segment had a significant uptick in activity from Q4 levels. While our Data and Analytic services segment didn't see approachable market improvement into the latter half of the quarter. As I review our Q1 2021 financial results, you will see this uneven recovery from the impact of the pandemic in our two business segments.
Vivek Gupta: Good morning, everyone. Thank you Jack for the detailed financial review of our operating results for the first quarter of 2021. Clearly, project delays impacted revenues in our Data and Analytics services segment this quarter. And hiring for projects that could ultimately be pushed out at the last minute took its toll on our profit margins. Nevertheless, we continue to invest for the future despite a bit of revenue lumpiness. Paul will have more to say about the Data and Analytics segment performance and where we believe we are headed. Now let me share with you the good news with respect to our IT staffing services segment. From the outset of Q1 2021, we saw a strong increase in demand in the segment. As a result of this demand uptick, we were able to increase our consultants on billing by 99 consultants, or a record 9% as compared to our headcount entering the New Year. Revenues increased sequentially by 3% during the first quarter, and the headcount and demand increases should have a more pronounced impact on Q2 revenue performance if these trends are sustained. On a year-over-year basis 2021 revenues were still down 5% from the first quarter of 2020. This performance represents a strong improvement over the 8% year-over-year decline in Q4 2020, as compared to Q4 of 2019. Gross margins were in line with last year's performance despite slightly higher benefit costs. I should reiterate that Q1 is historically a lower gross margin quarter in the staffing business due to a higher payroll tax load. Q1 2021 operating expenses for the segment were lower than the first quarter of 2020 by approximately $600,000, which allowed us to slightly top last year's operating income for the segment despite the 5% decline in revenues. During the quarter, we did unwind some of the austerity measures implemented during the first half of 2020. Additionally, you will see prudently see as prudently increased expenses for the segment in the coming quarters to support our anticipated growth. I will now turn the call over to Paul for his comments on our Data and Analytics services segment.
Paul Burton: Thanks, Vivek. Q1 represented a mixed performance for our Data and Analytics segments. While revenue was basically flat from Q4 2020, we posted nearly 16 million in bookings in Q1 2021, which suggests to us that some of the pent up demand for Data and Analytic services is being released. Significantly, we signed one new multiyear Center of Excellence deal and received a verbal award on a second, which we expect to close in early Q2. This bodes well for the future, and we see it as a clear indication of the value we're able to deliver to our clients.
Vivek Gupta: Thanks, Paul. Operator you can now open the session for questions.
Operator: Our first question is with Josh Vogel with Sidoti and Company. Please go ahead.
Josh Vogel: Hi, everyone, thanks for taking my questions. I got a couple here for you. The first one. I wanted, hoping you could talk a little bit more about SG&A. You talked about the where the investments were targeted? I'm curious, how much is planned in Q2 and over the balance of the year? And at what point do you feel that you have the cost structure and personnel in place that the line for these future growth opportunities?
Vivek Gupta: Josh, this is Vivek. Let me let me try and break this your question or the answers into two parts. Let me talk about the IT staffing piece. And then I'm going to ask Paul to talk about the data analytics piece because these two are slightly different. On the SG&A front, we did tighten our cost structure last year, as we were going through the pandemic. And as I've mentioned in my previous earnings calls, we didn't cut things so far that it would hurt when a business starts picking up. And that served us very well. Because this quarter Q1, we were able to capitalize on this demand which came in in a big way, we were able to do that, because we have not cut ourselves down to the bone. But as we go forward, we will have to keep increasing our SG&A costs in terms of having the right amount of capacity for the producers, what sales people in the recruiters to keep pace with the demand which is there which we are hoping will sustain. So, that being said, I think we are already in a fairly good position. And we are not talking about a very large increase, but they will be some incremental increase as the quarters progress. And we will obviously keep pace with the demand. If the demand keeps increasing, we will rev up the engine a little bit more if it slows down, we will slow down as we have been doing prudently and as we've done pretty successfully last year.
Paul Burton: Thanks for that. As Jack mentioned, we invested about a million dollars in SG&A. And as I mentioned to my prepared remarks, we saw the closure of one significant Center of Excellence deal with another award forthcoming hopefully imminently, we expect to close that soon. What we're seeing in our installed base is a significant number of multiyear, deals that are requiring, SG&A and sales people and operations capability in order to meet the demand. So we felt comfortable investing forward seeing the demand in the pipeline. And we anticipate, more of these deals coming along. So specifically with respect to SG&A, we added seven people in the Data and Analytics business to meet this demand and hopefully capture going forward. I hope that answers your question.
Josh Vogel: Yes, I appreciate the insights there. So, I just looking a little bit higher level. When we think about SG&A on a full year basis, when you go back to 2018 and 19, you were about 16% to 17% of revenue last year just under 20. Understanding that you do need to invest certainly on the D&A side when you know ahead of certain projects. What should we, how should we think about an annual run rate for the cost side of the equation going forward or the term bid should still be sub 20% should be like closer to 2020 or maybe closer to like an 18% range and any sort of insights that would be helpful. Thank you.
Vivek Gupta: Josh, I think it should be on the below the 20% mark, but I'm going to ask Jack if he has a feel for you know what the rest of the year SG&A where it could rest. Jack?
Jack Cronin: Yes, Josh, I would say that it clearly it's going to be higher than, our historical trend. Because as Paul said, we continue to develop new service offerings, etcetera. And we always seem to be staffing ahead of the curve, which is a good thing, obviously if you projected the revenue growth curve properly, so I would say, for 2021, we'd likely be a little bit plus or minus of the 20% range.
Josh Vogel: Great, that's helpful. Thank you for your question. Oh, yeah, Yes, it did. Thank you. Sorry mute button wasn't unmuting. A question, I guess, for Paul. With easing headwinds around COVID, I guess it's still a little surprising that project delays were still impacting D&A. You did talk about a strong pipeline in the latter half. And some, just the pressure letting up there. But I was curious. Are you seeing any of the projects that were delayed last year? Are they are they off or any off the table are not going to materialize? Just thoughts in your confidence level around that?
Paul Burton: Yes, yes. So I can look at the business across two dimensions with respect to our core business, the clients that we have significant relationships with and that we've been building, over time, we are seeing the project come back, and they're coming back, as we would expect, without a terrible amount of delay. So that piece of the business is performing as expected. There is, however, a transactional aspect to the business of deals that come to us, shall we say, transactionally, or ad hoc perhaps. And those, those deals are just now starting to come back. So, project delays, I think, for the most part are coming to an end, and we're starting to see, demand return, to a pattern that we saw before COVID. And before the pandemic, there still is a little bit of uncertainty out there in certain geographies. For example, as we know, India is suffering from the pandemic terribly right now. And that is a bit of a wild card going forward. But in terms of the overall demand, our core business, our core accounts, are coming back exactly as expected. And I think strongly, and the transactional demand that is a little bit more volatile, quarter-over-quarter is starting to return to a normal pattern as well. So I am seeing, things come back the way we would expect.
Josh Vogel: That's great to hear, you -- good commentary around new offerings like cloud engagement, data governance, application development. Curious when you're those types of newer service offerings that that you're getting into, can you talk about the sales cycle there in terms of like engagement signings starting to ramp and ultimately be fully ramped up, and how that compared to, pre pandemic projects?
Paul Burton: There is -- there continues to be a significant move to the cloud. Clients are realizing all businesses are realizing that if they want to move with any type of agility, or speed, they can't stand up infrastructure by servers, stand up networks, and do the typical things that they would have done years ago. So moving to the cloud offers a significant speed advantage in terms of bringing technology capabilities online. And that's why we're seeing the move to the cloud. In terms of the sales cycle, it's different. We're seeing three to six months sales cycles, for cloud offerings. And significantly with respect to the cloud, as clients move to the cloud, they actually have to move something to the cloud. And so we're seeing a significant number of application modernization offerings coming along, which bodes well for the future. And when I say application, modernization offerings, as application portfolios are picked up, off of premise, shall we say and move to the cloud, there's a certain amount of work that has to go into it to make it cloud ready. And that work, for the most part is really beginning to spike as we come out of the pandemic and clients return to, something resembling a normal posture. So I would say a three to six month sales cycle for cloud engagements and application modernization engagements, which can be quite large, can take longer, and but they're broken into pieces, and we're starting to see those come as well.
Josh Vogel: That's really helpful. Thank you. And just one more and I'll hop in the queue, maybe maybe for Jack. Just wanted to make sure I was doing the math right. Talk thinking about billable consultants, are we now sitting somewhere closer to the second F 19 levels, which is like just north of, 1150. And then also could you just quick comments around how bill rates are tracking? Are they still in the in the mid-60s or the mid 70s? Around $76 to $77?
Jack Cronin: Yes, you're thinking about the billable consultants correctly, we are in that range. 1150, a little bit above. And the average bill rate is still in the mid-70s. It came down a little bit in Q1. But we're still in the, the mid-70 range.
Josh Vogel: Sounds great. I’ll get back in the queue. Thanks for taking my questions, everyone.
Jack Cronin: Sure.
Operator: Our next question is with Lisa Thompson from Zacks Investment Research. Please proceed with your question.
Lisa Thompson: Good Morning.
Jack Cronin: Good Morning
Lisa Thompson: So I'm using my highly scientific algorithm if you increase staffing, consultants 9%, does that mean sequentially revenue should be up 9%?
Jack Cronin: So Lisa, the revenue 9%. I don't I don't think I want to make a statement like that because there is still quite a lot of things that need to happen in terms of how this quarter pans out. But I would just like to leave it and say yes, this quarter, the revenue should definitely be up in comparison with Q1.
Lisa Thompson: Okay, and since it's already April 28, is this quarter tracking the same amount of ads?
Vivek Gupta: Actually, we haven't quite reached the end of the month yet. That's when we really do the, the pluses and minuses and a lot of contracts actually end on the last day of the month because that's how the customers often signed the contracts for. So we have to wait for the end of April to happen before we can say what happened in this. But it is looking positive. I don't know what the final thing will eventually look like.
Lisa Thompson: Okay. So could you possibly tell us what AmberLeaf contributed in the quarter? Or you're not talking anymore?
Vivek Gupta: I'm actually going to pass this question over to Paul.
Paul Burton: Yes, hi. So AmberLeaf was fully integrated into the business effective January 1, we're not running separate P&Ls on them anymore. What I can tell you is is that the AmberLeaf as a channel certainly opened up eight new logos in first quarter. And we continue to see opportunities as a result of that acquisition. But we're not tracking the P&L separately.
Lisa Thompson: Okay. And going back to your bookings of 16, almost 16 million, is that a record number?
Paul Burton: No, that's not a record number. It may be a second best number, but it's not a record number, a record number was Q4 of 2019.
Lisa Thompson: Okay. And I was interested, you quickly went through all the new things that you were working on. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about what you meant when you said the about the first cloud engagement, and then also the marriage services, data governance. Can you talk a little bit what that means?
Paul Burton: Yes, so what we're seeing is, is as clients move to the cloud, they don't necessarily have the skills on staff in order to manage and sustain their cloud environment, to migrate data into the cloud, etcetera. And so there is a managed services opportunity to stand up a team off-shore, and to essentially run this business for them run the project, if you will, for them over an extended period of time. So when we talk about managed services, we're talking about, putting standing up a team and sustaining and maintaining their cloud infrastructure environment, and doing certain tasks around data migration into the cloud over time. So that's what we're talking about when we see managed services in the cloud. With respect to data governance, again, as clients are moving out in their applications or moving to the cloud what we're finding is all of their data, of course, has to follow it, but there are certain standards that their data has to meet in terms of, shall we say, hygiene and cleanliness. So there's a tremendous amount of work that's available to straight out, and help clients straighten out their data as it gets moved to the cloud. So it's appropriate for applications. And so there's an offering that we've taken on around that. And we have closed one deal and expect to close the second deal around that soon.
Lisa Thompson: Okay, great. So I also assume in your business, that margins, gross margins will continue to improve as you get AmberLeaf figured out.
Paul Burton: Yes, yes. I expect gross margins to hold and improve throughout the balance of the year.
Lisa Thompson: Okay, great. Thank you. That's all my questions.
Vivek Gupta: Thank you, Lisa.
Operator: Our next question is with Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Brian Kinstlinger: Hi, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. When you talk about delays, is it delays in getting new contracts signed, meaning longer sales cycles, or is it delays in getting signed contracts to begin? Or is it both?
Vivek Gupta: It’s the former Brian. It’s delays in getting the contract signed? Typically once the contracts are signed, we start execution as soon as possible after that. You can have the contract in hand. And the last minute the customer may say, can you delay the start date of this by a certain period. But that's less frequent.
Brian Kinstlinger: So with that said, there was discussion about winning a large Center of Excellence contract, I think in late 1Q, I may be assuming those with the timing. Has that program started? Or if not, when do you expect that will start?
Vivek Gupta: I see I'm going to ask Paul to answer that question.
Paul Burton: That contract that contract signed, and it's effective April 1, so billing will start on that it really did start on that on April 1.
Brian Kinstlinger: Right. And then finally, maybe you can talk about the competitive landscape and data analytics business. I mean, it's obviously a buzzword, it's a popular target market right now. So talk about the competitive landscape and is pricing higher or lower, or even with last year.
Paul Burton: Pricing is improving. Thanks Vivek. Price pricing is improving, there continues to be a shortage of skills in the market for Data and Analytics, especially Data and Analytics as it relates to the cloud and to applications. What we're seeing is as applications are ported or, or migrated or modernized into the cloud, is that they're being infused with analytics, and with intelligence or business intelligence, as they're migrated into the cloud, so there is a big opportunity for this to happen. The skills in this area are relatively scarce compared to other areas. And so I would expect pricing to hold and improve depending on the skill and the project we're talking about. I don't see any dilution or erosion in pricing or gross margin this year in this business. I expect things actually to get better.
Brian Kinstlinger: Great, thank you.
Operator: Okay, our next question is with Josh Vogel with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.
Josh Vogel: Thank you. Just a quick one around mass remote. We're about a year in now. I was just we think about your staffing business longer term and the delivery model. How much business do you think are targeting to be run through MAS-REMOTE? Can you remind me if the margin profiler bill rates are any different there? And it's any sort of commentary? Thank you.
Vivek Gupta: Sure, Josh, the MAS-REMOTE offering was really well timed. We launched it in June. And we we've since then, almost two thirds of our placements that we have been doing have been in remote locations. Even last quarter 65% of our placements were in remote. But when the customers are signing up, there is an expectation from half of them. So roughly when I say two thirds, one third out of the whole are expected to make come back in some shape or form to the office locations. Once the customer is comfortable that the pandemic is under control and they can do that. And it may not be a full, all five days kind of thing. But the interesting thing is the remaining one third will always remain remote because they are so far removed the consultants are actually living in a very different location completely different cities altogether, often different states. So that will continue to be. And we see this kind of trend going forward that from this even today the requirement the demand that I'm talking about which is coming to us, there is a majority of them are okay for remote locations. To answer the your other question about, gross margins, etcetera, gross margins still tend to be in the same range. It’s just that the price point changes depending on where the candidates are, if they are in lower cost locations, then, you're able to attract them, and the clients get the benefit of that lower cost as well. And they are willing to make the compromise of not having the candidates come over at any point in time to their locations, if they are able to get better quality candidates and better pricing as well. So I don't know if this answers your question.
Josh Vogel: No, that definitely does. Thank you. And just one last one for Jack. Can you remind me the contingent consideration math that could be paid this year in future years, if AmberLeaf hits its targets?
Jack Cronin: Yes, they total? Well, the fair value that we have on our balance sheet is about 2.9 million. And that's a statistical value based on a probability model. So that's on the balance sheet. But and that's what we believe the fair value is likely to be. But the contract earned out is 4.5 million. And that splits in two years. The first year is fiscal year 2021. And a second of course, is fiscal year 2022. So if they make earn out, their payments would probably happen in April of 2022 and April of 2023. I mean, if you're trying to assess your cash flow and vacation.
Josh Vogel: Yes, perfect. Thanks again, guys.
Jack Cronin: Sure Josh.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. And I would like to turn the call back to Vivek Gupta for closing remarks.
Vivek Gupta: Thank you, operator. So if there are no further questions, I would like to thank you all for joining our call today. And we look forward to sharing our second quarter 2021 results with you in late July. Thank you.
Operator: This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
