Lennox International Inc. (LII) on Q2 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Lennox International second quarter conference call. At the request of your host, all lines are currently in a listen-only mode. There will be a question and answer session at the end of the presentation. You may enter the queue to ask a question by pressing one then zero on your phone. Pressing one and zero again exits the queue. Steve Harrison: Good morning. Thank you for joining us for this review of Lennox International’s financial performance for the second quarter of 2021. I’m here today with Chairman and CEO Todd Bluedorn and CFO Joe Reitmeier. Todd will review key points for the quarter and Joe will take you through the company’s financial performance and outlook for 2021. To give everyone time to ask questions during the Q&A, please limit yourself to a couple of questions or follow-ups and re-queue for any additional questions. In the earnings release we issued this morning, we have included the necessary reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures that will be discussed to GAAP measures. All comparisons mentioned today are against the prior year period. You can find a direct link to the webcast of today’s conference call on our website at www.lennoxinternational.com. The webcast will be archived on the site for replay. I’d like to remind everyone that in the course of this call, to give you a better understanding of our operations, we will be making certain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. For information concerning these risks and uncertainties, see Lennox International’s publicly available filings with the SEC. The company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Now let me turn the call over to Chairman and CEO, Todd Bluedorn. Todd Bluedorn: Thanks Steve. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us. In the second quarter, we continued to see strong momentum on our residential business combined with a continued rebound in commercial and refrigeration as the overall company set new record highs for revenue and profit. Company revenue was up 32% to a new record of $1.24 billion, at constant currency revenue was up 30%. GAAP operating income was up 59% to a record $216 million. GAAP EPS from continuing operations was up 72% to a record $4.51. Total segment profit rose 45% to a record $222 million. Total segment margin expanded 160 basis points to 17.9%, and adjusted EPS from continuing operations rose 54% to a record $4.57. Looking at the business segment highlights for the second quarter, in residential we set new highs for revenue, margin and profit. Residential revenue was up 30% as reported and up 29% at constant currency. Segment profit rose 49% and segment margin expanded 290 basis points to 22.6%. Residential had comparable revenue growth in both replacement and new construction of approximately 30%. Lennox brand revenue was up 30%, as was our allied and other brands combined. Joseph Reitmeier: Thank you Todd, and good morning everyone. I’ll provide some additional comments and financial details on the business segments for the quarter, starting with residential heating and cooling. In the second quarter, revenue from residential heating and cooling was a record $838 million, up 30%. Volume was up 27%, price was up 3%, and mix was down 1%. Foreign exchange had a positive 1% impact on revenue. Residential segment profit was a record $190 million, up 49%. Segment margin expanded 290 basis points to a record 22.6%. Residential profit was primarily impacted by higher volume, favorable price, higher factory productivity, sourcing and engineering-led cost reductions, freight savings, and favorable foreign exchange. Partial offsets included unfavorable mix, higher commodities, tariffs and warranty costs, distribution investments and higher SG&A, including research and development and information technology investments. Now turning to our commercial heating and cooling business, in the second quarter commercial revenue was $253 million, up 34%. Volume was up 29%, price was flat, and mix was up 4%. Foreign exchange had a positive 1% impact to revenue. Commercial segment profit was $45 million, which was up 27%. Segment margin was 17.9%, down 100 basis points. Segment profit was primarily impacted by higher volume and favorable mix. Partial offsets included higher material, distribution, freight, tariffs and other product costs, factory inefficiencies, and higher SG&A including research and development, and information technology investments. Operator: Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond with Keybanc. Please go ahead. Jeff Hammond: Hey, good morning everyone. Todd, first of all, congrats - it’s been a good 15 years together. Todd Bluedorn: I agree. Jeff Hammond: Just on price, it seems like the numbers you gave for 2Q are kind of low, just given the higher yields, and I just wanted to understand how you expect price to flow into the second half, particularly on commercial. Todd Bluedorn: Yes, I think you’re pulling on the right thread. It steps up. One, the second price increase in residential has a bigger bite in the second half of the year than the first half of the year, just as sort for the timing of things, but for commercial and refrigeration, we got some price in second quarter but we’ll get significantly more second half of the year. Then as we talked about in the script, there’s a third price increase that’s announced September 1 - that won’t have much impact on commercial and refrigeration, just given the lead times, but it will have a material impact for residential and that’s not currently in the guide. We’re still framing exactly what that will look like and we’ll update it after the third quarter call. Jeff Hammond: Okay, and then your inventory levels look a little bit low for the season and the demand. Just talk about your ability to keep up with demand and where you frame inventory levels here as you go into this second half. Todd Bluedorn: We’ve been transparent about this from the beginning - I think the entire industry is facing challenges. I think all corporate America is facing challenges with integrated circuits, with steel, with lots of things that we’re buying, but when we talk to our customers and our suppliers, the one thing that we’re confident on, and we see our own share position so we know we’re gaining share, we’re doing as well or better than anyone in the industry. Look - we’d like to have more inventory right now, so you see that in the numbers and that’s clear, we’d like to have more product and if we did, we’d probably sell more. Jeff Hammond: Okay, thanks a lot, Todd. Todd Bluedorn: Thanks. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Merkel with William Blair. Please go ahead. Ryan Merkel: Hey, thanks. First off, Todd, you mentioned the resi replacement cycle spinning faster and you gave us some nice data points. Can you just speak to how much this will increase HVAC demand annually, and what I’m trying to do is just trying to judge how impactful these changes are. Todd Bluedorn: Well, I think the most important metric that I gave is if you think the unit life goes from, on average, 15 to 12, so in other words the curve I always show shifts to the left by three years, what that does is it all doesn’t come into the market in one year but in essence, what you’re doing is creating all this demand that spreads out, I think over a multi-year period, and I haven’t specifically called it out because what I was trying to introduce is this very explicit point that the traditional way you guys and us--not you personally, Ryan, but the analysts have viewed it and the industry has viewed it is a very traditional boom echo analysis - when were the units put in place during the housing boom, how old are they, and how long do they last, and we’re introducing some new variables that are real, we’ve measured them, so when it spins and you take three years off the life, or 30% off the life or 20% off the life, then all of a sudden you’re creating much more demand over a five or six-year period, is sort of our best guess of how it will play out. That’s why we’re real confident and why we’ve been publicly saying that this is a mid-single digit growth market for years and that we’re not afraid of a cliff. Ryan Merkel: Got it, okay. Makes sense. Then second question, you raised revenues all year but EBIT margins for the second half have come down. What explains this, if you were to rank order them? I think price-cost may be first, but just clarify that, if you would. Todd Bluedorn: I think it’s inflationary pressures from components and commodities. I think it is the tightness of the supply chain that leads itself to productivity issues in the factories. We’re running overtime and sort of mixing up shifts to be able to juggle things. Then I think the third thing is it doesn’t incorporate the third price increase yet, so I don’t think we get all the way back to 30% incrementals but I think as the price increase bites and timing of some SG&A, I think it will look better than what’s out there now. Ryan Merkel: Got it. All right, thanks. I’ll pass it on. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gautam Khanna with Cowen. Please go ahead. Gautam Khanna: Hey, thank you, and congrats Todd - I know you’re here for another year, but it’s always been a pleasure to work with you. We’re going to miss you. Todd Bluedorn: Thanks. I feel like I’m Tom Sawyer at his funeral, if you’ve ever read Tom Sawyer. But go ahead. Gautam Khanna: Yes, I totally get it. I was just going to ask, on the national account business, it was up quite a bit. I was wondering if you had any updates to your thoughts on how quickly commercial deferred replacement picks up, catches up. Todd Bluedorn: Yes, I stand by my current view, it’s a year and a half to two years. That’s what I saw after 9/11 when I was at Carrier, I saw after the financial crisis that commercial buyers, national accounts, better stated, deferred planned replacement for a year or 15 months, and they’ve now turned it back on. They don’t do it all immediately, and they don’t even do it all in a year - it’s 18 months to two years, so I think we have a nice tailwind in commercial. Gautam Khanna: Okay, thank you. Then just another one on resi - last quarter, we asked about competitors and their ability to supply and if that’s benefiting Lennox in terms of share pick-up. Do you have any update on that, an updated view on whether some of your--you’re hearing in the channel that some of the competitors are just not able to get product and that’s conferring an outsized benefit to LII? Todd Bluedorn: I think the answer is all the major competitors have one issue or another, because we’re all the same supply chain. Trane had an issue with their Tyler factory, Goodman’s had issues in Houston, so I think it’s all the challenge. What unfortunately happens in this type of environment is some of the lower end brands, people like Nordyne, maybe people like Green have a little bit of advantage because they’re able to pick up share they hadn’t before. We’re gaining share. We’re quite not frankly not gaining as much share as we could if we had more product, but we’re gaining share and I don’t think it’s one competitor. I think it depends on the marketplace, and I think what competitors are doing are protecting certain marketplaces and certain distributors, so I assume Carrier is protecting Watsco as best as they can, where some of their other distributors aren’t being protected as much. Gautam Khanna: Great, thank you. Todd, one last one. What are your current views on consolidation in the HVAC industry, the likelihood of it and what might actually drive it if there’s a catalyst, because we’ve been talking about it for a long time but not a whole lot’s happened. Just curious if you have any views. Todd Bluedorn: I’ll answer the question more broadly, but I’ll directly narrow the question. I think there was--well, I read all the things you guys write and some of the notes we’re talking about, whether my announcement had any impact on consolidation - there was somebody who suggested it might. I don’t think it matters one way or another what I’m doing on industry consolidation. In terms of the precondition for industry consolidation, I think it’s either someone’s willing to pay the Lennox premium to buy us, which I don’t think they will or need to, or whatever. I think the other way would be if someone who’s in the business decides to get out, and it’s hard to imagine that happens when resi’s going as well as it is. I’ve been very adamant over the years that someone like JCI is a commercial player and isn’t getting full value out of their residential business, but they feel differently and so it’s up to them to make a decision, or anyone else. Gautam Khanna: Thank you very much. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Please go ahead. Julian Mitchell: Thanks a lot, good morning. Maybe one question around the margin outlook. I just wanted to double check - are you sort of dialing in a mid-20s incremental margin for the year as a whole, so margins are down 100 BPs plus year-on-year in the back half, is that roughly the right way to think about it? Todd Bluedorn: I was trying to be a little cuter than that. I think if you take our guide, it’s a hair lower than that, and that I was signalling that we had some additional upside versus the guide because of the price increase, that it was south of 30 but north of low 20s, so I think you’re probably in the right zip code. Julian Mitchell: Perfect, thank you. Then just on the commercial business specifically, you had the margin headwind year-on-year in the second quarter. Just wondered, maybe some more background on what’s behind that and what you think happens to those commercial margins in the back half. Todd Bluedorn: You know, there was a couple things that--well, three things that impacted commercial, two that have impacted all the businesses but one was sort of unique. One was just the timing of expenses - incentive comp and some SG&A expenses, of when they happened this year versus the prior year, and in a business that size you have a couple of those happen that can kind of hurt the margins. But the other maybe more important points are the things I’ve spoken about, which is inflationary pressures and their inability to get price during the quarter because they have--we had a larger backlog where it was already priced out, and we’ll start to get price second half of the year in a better way. Then the inefficiencies in the factories due to shortage of supply and labor shortages at our Stuttgart facility, so those are sort of all the things that led to lower margins. I expect that they’ll have a better performance, or we expect they’ll have a better performance for the balance of the year. Julian Mitchell: Great, thank you. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Tommy Moll with Stephens. Please go ahead. Tommy Moll: Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Todd Bluedorn: Of course, Tommy. Tommy Moll: Todd, I wanted to start by following up on your commentary on the replacement cycle potentially bringing the asset life in three years, give or take. You referenced some run time data that you’ve combed through, but I just was curious if there’s any more detail you could offer there in terms of the method or any surprises you came across - it seems pretty straightforward, but anything else you could offer there would be helpful. Todd Bluedorn: Yes, I think we did it the way, Tommy, you might have thought we did, but I’ll say it for others. We have eye comfort on a lot of our units, tens of thousands of units, and we have access to the run times, so we were able to go in region by region, not quite zip code by zip code but region by region, adjust for the weather, make other adjustments we thought were appropriate, and then we were able to come up with the average run time of the units on a year-over-year basis, and that was around that, say, 30%, plus or minus 30%, but right around 30%. Then I did some Kentucky windage by just saying it’s probably not going to be that on an ongoing basis because we won’t have as many people working from home as we did last year, so then I just said, say it’s 20% instead of 30%, and that sort of felt right, at least from the world that I’m living in, because we still have a lot of people working at home and we will continue to have people working at home, even when we get to the other side of this. That’s where the 20% came from, and then 20% times 15 gets you three, 15 minus three gets you 12, and then I just sort of rolled into it to say the weather is 5% warmer the last three or four years than it was when we originally came up with the 15-year data point, and that 5% weather has a higher impact than just saying you reduced the life cycle by 5%. I didn’t even try and quantify it, but it’s sort of exponential in nature, so it’s sort of somewhere between 5% and 10%, maybe closer to 10% from having 5% warmer weather, and that’s sort of in the mix also. I wanted, as I’m repeating myself, just to introduce the concept of very traditional way of saying, okay, how many units were installed in 2006 and we’re 15 years forward, so that means it goes to zero - that’s not the way to look at this, and I think we all knew that there are other variables in play because it doesn’t explain what’s been happening in the market for the last couple years. The bears have been predicting resi turning for a while now and they’ve been wrong, and the reason they’re wrong, we think, are these new variables. Tommy Moll: Thank you Todd, that’s helpful. I wanted to follow up on price. You’ve pushed two increases through, you’ve got another one announced for the fall. Just interested to hear you confirm, I think that you’ve yet to see any kind of gamesmanship across the industry, it seems pretty consistent across the group there’s no one trying to steal share with a little bit of price in this environment, and then if you think downstream just in terms of customers, has there been any pushback at all or does it feel like, at least for your Lennox brand, that your customers can pretty easily pass it along ultimately to the homeowner? Todd Bluedorn: Well, I think the short answer is they can absolutely pass it on right now. In fact, if we had more units, I think we could price at whatever we wanted and many people would pay. On the competitor side, Carrier announced up to 8% effective September 1, AAON 5% effective September 1, Trane 7% effective August 7, Daikin 4% to 5% effective August 1, JCI 6% to 13% effective July 19, so we’re all in the pool together. I think the other point I would make, and we’re not talking about 2022 yet or 2023 yet, but I’d remind everyone, and you know this, Tommy, but the way this industry works is you have this inflationary shock with commodities - and granted, this is different than anything we’ve seen before, but you have inflationary shock with commodities, and then when the inflationary pressure abates, you never pass the price back, and so we’re sort of roughly keeping up this year, although a little bit of lag in second quarter, the full year will be roughly in line, but then in the out years if you think cold rolled steel, which was $600 a ton 18 months ago and is now over $1800 a ton, you think it’s going to pull back at some point, when that happens we won’t give the price back, or if you think copper, it’s closer to 3 than to 450, we don’t give the price back, so there’s going to be an out year, whether it’s ’22 or ’23, where all that’s going to come back to us and we’ll still hang onto the price. Again, that’s why I feel good about the trajectory of the business and the business model. Tommy Moll: Thanks Todd, I’ll turn it back. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Volkmann with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Todd Bluedorn: Why don’t you go to someone else, Operator? Operator: Thank you. Next we’ll go to the line of Nicole DeBlase with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Nicole DeBlase: Thanks guys, good morning. Congrats to Todd. Todd Bluedorn: Hi Nicole, thanks. Nicole DeBlase: I think you mentioned in the press release, there was unfavorable mix dynamics in resi. Can you just talk about that a little bit and the expectation for mix over the next quarters? Todd Bluedorn: You know, the biggest mix issue on resi is just that we’ve been able to produce more product out of the Saltillo factory, which is more entry level product, and so as we’ve been production constrained, we’ve been able to get more out of Saltillo, and that’s quite frankly due to the supply base in Mexico being able to stay with us longer than the supply base in the U.S. has done. That’s the major reason, and then the other reason is sort of the mix of the customers and just some of the customers that we were selling to had a slightly lower mix, but overall a good quarter for resi so I wouldn’t be concerned about the mix going forward. Nicole DeBlase: Got it, thanks Todd. That’s really helpful. Then I don’t think you commented in the prepared remarks, but you typically do - like, order activity in commercial and refrigeration, and I’d be curious how long the backlog goes out now. Are you booking into 2022? Todd Bluedorn: Yes, we’re not quite booking into 2022 because if we did, we’d be in big, big trouble. I mean, typically what we see in this business, in our commercial business is entering a quarter, we’re about half the quarter on backlog and half we book and ship, so if we were quoting into next year, we’d be like the integrated circuit guys - we’d have long lead times that no one would buy from, so we don’t have that yet. I didn’t get into the order rates in the backlog just because they’re sort of silly high numbers because of where we last year at this time, but the answer is the momentum in commercial and refrigeration remains strong, and what I said about commercial having another year and a half to two years of strength is absolutely true and to a lesser degree if it’s still the same directional point as refrigeration, so order rates and backlogs are extremely strong in both businesses. Nicole DeBlase: Got it, thank you. I’ll pass it on. Operator: Thank you. Just as a reminder, if you wish to put yourself in the question queue, please press one then zero at this time. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Joe Ritchie: Thank you. Good morning guys, and congratulations Todd. Todd Bluedorn: Thanks Joe. Joe Ritchie: Todd, I want to focus maybe just one question on the announcement. I know that from my vantage point, I was a little surprised, and a lot of folks that I spoke to were also surprised a little bit by the timing because there wasn’t necessarily a successor in place. Anything that you can kind of tell us around what influenced your decision, whatever you’re comfortable disclosing, just any thoughts around the timing would be helpful. Todd Bluedorn: Well, in some ways, and I don’t want to offend anyone who has elderly grandparents, but it’s sort of like I had a 93-year-old grandfather who died, and I was shocked that he died. What I mean by that is I’ve been at LII for 15 years - that’s a long time, and I’m ready for a change. I think the company--in fact, I know the company, the board wanted me to stay, but in some ways I think there’s a shelf life on a CEO, and 15 years may be it. My hands are firmly on the wheel and I’m going to keep running the business like I do every day until the day I leave. As we mentioned in the press release, I’m stepping down to create a better balance between my personal and professional life, but I’m not done with my career. I like to think of myself as young-ish, if not young, and I have lots of energy and I plan to do something more entrepreneurial, maybe private equity, maybe venture capital, but something. Now, there’s never a perfect time to make this kind of transition - I get that, but this is a good time to begin the transition with the strong market conditions and the company well positioned for growth and higher profitability, and now that I’ve announced, the board can conduct an open search for the right person, and the year transition that I’ve committed to ensures that their process is not rushed and that there will be a smooth transition. Joe Ritchie: Got it, that’s super helpful. Thanks for that detail. I guess maybe my follow-on question, and just focused on how you guys have now characterized what the resi replacement cycle looks like, the commentary around R22 was interesting. I’m curious - when you guys did your in-depth analysis, how much is left from an installed base perspective on R22? I’m just trying to understand that opportunity as the potential upgrade cycle over the next few years. Todd Bluedorn: That’s a very good question, Joe. I don’t have it at my fingertips. We’ll get it out publicly. I think it’s in the AHRI data, but we’ll pull it out. Again, those who have sort of been ingrained in this story for years may remember in 2011, there was this huge dry run--excuse me, dry charge phenomenon that had a huge impact on the year, those are all R22 condensing units that were put in place, so even past 2010 there were units being placed into the market that were R22, and again the bell-shaped curve of those units that were being put in place were 15, ignoring the heat comments and the run time comments I gave, at the old 15 midpoint the right side of that bell-shaped curve is going to get cut off because you’re not even going to be able to do traditional repairs because if you lose the charge, it’s prohibitively expensive. But I understand the question, Joe, and we’ll get that data and put it out to you guys. Joe Ritchie: Got it, that’s helpful. Thanks again. Operator: Thank you. Next we go to the line of Stephen Volkmann with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Stephen Volkmann: Great, I’ll try this again - can you hear me? Todd Bluedorn: Yes, sure can. Stephen Volkmann: Sorry, I don’t know what happened last time. Just a couple quick follow-ups, if you will. You talked about that replacement spinning faster, Todd. Any similar thoughts or analysis you’ve done on the commercial side? Todd Bluedorn: No, we haven’t, in part because emergency replacement in commercial is 30%, 40% of the market. As important is the planned replacement, which really isn’t broadly impacted by that, and then the new construction. Again, the major driver of resi is people being at home. I don’t think there’s a negative--maybe I’m not answering your question, but I don’t think there’s a negative reciprocal of that, if that’s the right way of phrasing it, for commercial, at least unitary commercial. Maybe for high rise office space, but we don’t play there, but retail has been running, restaurants have been running, and whether you have one person shopping or a thousand people shopping, you’re still running the unit, so I don’t think there’s a negative implication to commercial. Stephen Volkmann: Okay, great. Then I’m curious about your commentary around heat and more degree days, etc. It seems like a lot of that’s been focused on the northern part of the U.S. recently, where there may actually be still some penetration opportunity. Do you have any view on that? Stephen Volkmann: I think that’s true. That’s not worked into our point of view, but that’s, quite frankly, throwing another log on the fire. I didn’t know this number, so I’ll quote it from an article I read that said in the northwest, it’s about 40% penetration of installed HVAC. If they have many more 100 degree summer days, I think that’s going to head higher than 40%, so that’s clearly an opportunity for us moving forward also. Todd Bluedorn: Okay, appreciate it. Thanks. Operator: Thank you. Next we go to the line of John Walsh with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. John Walsh: Good morning everyone. Todd Bluedorn: Hey John. John Walsh: Maybe just a quick one on the unitary, right - I mean, if you look at PK through 12, unitary makes up a good amount of that installed base. We talked a lot about the corporate accounts, but what are you seeing there on the education verticals, and is this stimulus we’ve all been reading about, is that actually flowing through and are you seeing it? Todd Bluedorn: We’re seeing some flow through, but it’s a long--in a normal case, it’s a long gestation period for schools. The decision making is slower and it’s obviously more of a board decision than an individual decision. Then lay on top of that the overlay of this money coming and what’s the money going to be spent on, who has decision rights on the money, it’s a little slower than we would like it to be but I remain real confident that slightly less than 10% of our unitary business is K through 12, and that’s going to be a growth market going forward. John Walsh: Great, then a lot of discussion around the margins, and I appreciate you guys obviously don’t give quarterly guidance, but Q4 on the residential business, the margin the last couple of years, you haven’t seen that normal step down sequentially from Q3 to Q4. One year you had the insurance recoveries, last year was really strong. I’m just curious, how are you thinking about it in your guidance that you gave us today? Are you expecting a normal step down or how do we think about that, the seasonality in the back half just within your guide? Todd Bluedorn: Well, I don’t know if I’ll directly answer the question, but I think the one thing to sort of weigh into any thinking is going to be we have 6% fewer days in the quarter, and so that creates headwind not only on revenue but you have--you can’t absorb all the costs. You have more factory fixed costs fall to the bottom line, and so having 6% less days in the fourth quarter, everything else being equal, will have a negative impact on margins. John Walsh: Yes, okay. Makes sense. Thank you for taking the questions. Operator: Thank you. Next we go to the line of Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research. Please go ahead. Jeff Sprague: Hey thanks, good morning everyone. Todd, just a couple for me. First on price, understand with things so fluid, you don’t really want to dial this into your guide, but maybe just give us a little bit more color on how the market responded to the first two price increases. Obviously we’ve got the number for the year now you gave us, but are you worried about it being accepted? There’s some mix down that might result. Just want to understand why you actually don’t want to include it in the guide, because I assume you’re including the inflationary pressures in the guide. Todd Bluedorn: Well, I think in part we didn’t--you know, I’ll be very transparent. We came out early with the earnings because of my announcement and we came out with a guide, and then between that time--and we were finalizing the price increase, the third price increase, but we hadn’t made a decision yet. We made a decision shortly after the announcement, we announced it, and we’re going to implement it September 1. I just thought it was a little cute to have a guide two weeks ago and then change it today, so I just thought we’ll just leave it where it’s at, being very transparent that it’s out there and that we’ll touch it up end of third quarter. The first part of your question is just on the first two price increases, we had been guiding that we’re going to get 90, now we’re guiding that we’re going to get 110, so I think that answers the question to how it’s being accepted - it’s being accepted and we’re able to pass it on, and it’s sticking. Again, the fact that our competitors have announced third price increases across the board and, quite frankly, I actually struggled at Aecon, which I shouldn’t admit as a CEO, but the one thing I remembered in Aecon is if demand is high and supply is down, I think price should go up, and that’s what the industry is doing. Jeff Sprague: Absolutely. On the replacement thing, we all know we can make this seem much more realistic in an Excel spreadsheet than it is in real life for sure, but I’m just wondering how much of this pull forward do you think might have already happened, right, because again if we do go back to the Excel spreadsheet, one complication we have is 12 years ago was actually the ’09, ’10, ’11 trough when there weren’t many units being shipped, so just wonder if you could tell from that data has this pull forward already happened, is it in progress, or do you think it’s still in front of us? Todd Bluedorn: Well, I think it’s--I don’t think it’s already happened, I think it’s probably already started because last summer already started and the units running more has already started. But I think it’s in large part in front of us, and again I’m not validating all these numbers, I’m just--I’m validating the 30% and I’m validating the 5% warmer, but sort of guessing at 20% reduction on an ongoing basis, that’s just a swag, use your own number. But if it goes from 15 to 12, a 20% reduction means 20% of a full year’s production sort of gets moved, and that’s not happening in one year. That’s not what this year is about. This year is about scarcity of demand and distributors buying a lot of units to protect themselves. I think that’s what this year is about. I’m a broken record on this, Jeff, as you know, but now I’m putting some math around my opinion that I think we’ve got multiple years of mid-single digit growth in resi. Jeff Sprague: Great, understood. Thanks a lot. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Josh Pokrzywinski with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Todd Bluedorn: Josh, that wasn’t even the same zip code as your name! Are you there, Josh? Operator, he was so offended on how you pronounced his name, he hung up, so can you bring someone else in, please? Operator: He’s here, thank you. Josh Pokrzywinski: Okay, is he here? Are you there, Josh? Josh Pokrzywinski: Can you hear me? Todd Bluedorn: I can, Josh. Why don’t you go ahead? Josh Pokrzywinski: Excellent. Yes, I think we were a few eastern bloc countries off on the pronunciation there, but I’ve probably heard worse. Todd, on this whole replacement cycle stuff, you know I have as much Excel time in that as anyone on that over the years, but I just wanted to make sure I’m understanding this right. This is assuming, like, 20% higher home usage for . Todd Bluedorn: No, I think it will be to sort of get the full benefit of going from 15 to 12 forever, then it’s 20%. There was a year where they ran 30% more - I know that as a fact, so that die is already cast. There have been four years that the weather’s 5% hotter than what we built in the model - that’s already cast, and then other than Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan, I think most companies are letting people stay at home as we get through the pandemic, and so decide whether people are going to work 50% flex time at home or 60”% flex time at home, at Lennox it’s going to be 40% flex time at home for most of our employees, so it’s somewhere south of 30, greater than zero that the units are going to run more, and I think that’s here to stay. Josh Pokrzywinski: Got it. I may you need to write me a doctor’s note on that work-from-home policy. Todd Bluedorn: Yes. Josh Pokrzywinski: Then on the parts side of the equation, I’m sure you saw Watsco had pretty healthy growth on the equipment side as well as parts. You guys clearly have a window into that as well with PartsPlus stores. Did you see kind of proportionate growth, any observations on repair versus replace? I would imagine there’s probably a bit more replacement than usual, but I don’t want to make it sound like it’s overloaded to one side. Todd Bluedorn: No, I mean, equipment grew faster than parts did for us in the quarter, but we had strong growth rates in both. Josh Pokrzywinski: Got it, and then just last one, if you wouldn’t mind, on the price-cost inflation, we can all sort of look at steel costs, copper and aluminum, and sort of play the hedging game, which never really ever works, so I gave up on that. But there’s a lot of inflation out there that kind of falls outside of commodities, whether it’s labor or logistics. How does that visibility look, like is that getting worse or better, and then how do you think your ability to kind price that into the marketplace versus other material inflation trends over time? Todd Bluedorn: I would think about it this way. We typically get $25 million, $30 million engineering sourcing-led cost reductions a year, and that’s always a net number - that’s after all the price increases we get. This year, we’re calling it out at $5 million, so what you should take from that is we’re having $20 million or so more price increases on components that we buy from others along with the $80 million of steel, along with the $15 million of LIFO, and all that’s being offset by the $110 million of price we’ve already gotten plus the third price increase that we’re going to have in fourth quarter. I think we’re offsetting this year, we’re not offsetting it and still getting the margin percentage, but then as I said earlier, those things will turn and when they turn, we won’t give the price back but all of a sudden, we’ll have our engineering-led cost reductions instead of being a normal 25, 30, because all the commodity price increases that we took for motors and compressors and everything else we have, we’ll get those reduced and so we’ll have a year where we’ll have a blowout cost reduction year plus commodities will decline, plus we’ll hang onto price. We’re sort of having lower margins than normal this year, but then there will be a year or two where margin percentage will be higher than the 30% because of the things I just said. Josh Pokrzywinski: Crystal clear, appreciate it. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steve Tusa with JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Steve Tusa: Hey, good morning. Todd Bluedorn: Hey Steve. Steve Tusa: Congrats on really an epic run, great grassroots turnaround, fantastic market outgrowth, and you deserve all the credit in the world to enjoy whatever you do next, so congrats. Todd Bluedorn: Thanks, I appreciate it. Steve Tusa: And you’re a good guy. I think you’re a really good guy, but I think I kind of disagree on a lot of the numbers, and I just wanted to dig in a little bit. I was a poli-sci major, so Mark Twain and fancy macro econ stuff wasn’t my suit. How did you validate the 30% again? You said on a few thousand Lennox units that you have visibility into? Todd Bluedorn: Yes, exactly. We contract the units, so in our dealer portal when the homeowner signs up for it, we can track the run hours on units, so we’re able to go in on our installed base and do it region by region, so then we can adjust for weather. It wasn’t just sort of, okay, we have 20,000 units, how much did they run? We’d go region by region, not quite zip code by zip code, and understand how long the units were running. I’ve got detailed analysis, detailed spreadsheets, we went through it and looked at it and then we were able to say what we expected, which is people are home more, they’re running the units more. Then we calibrated it and it came out a lower number, but we looked at how much energy usage went up at homes, and that’s just a high level macro number, and I think for the full year it was up about 10, 15%, so that sort of said, okay, we’re in the right zip code and we would expect air conditioners in the summer to run longer because people are at home. The furnaces, you’re going to still sort of have it roughly at a set point in the wintertime because you don’t want it to go down, so again my commentary is about air conditioners running 30% more. We feel pretty good about it. Steve Tusa: What was the sample size of that again? Todd Bluedorn: I don’t know off the top of my head. Joseph Reitmeier: It was about 150,000, Todd. Todd Bluedorn: Yes, so a small number, only 150,000. Steve Tusa: And what do you think the installed base is for the industry? Todd Bluedorn: I think you could figure that out on your own, right, so look at an annual number, multiply times 15, that’s probably the installed base. Steve Tusa: And then I thought you guys had said it was 16 years, but obviously there was a curve around that, but I feel like in the last couple of years of the housing echo boom discussion, that you guys--you know, it was more of a 16-year number you threw out there. Todd Bluedorn: I think I was rounding because there’s a mean--sometimes we talk mean, sometimes we talk mode, but say it’s 16, so it goes from 16 to 13. Steve Tusa: Okay, got it. Just on the--I think the last thing you talked about was this has been--you’ve tried to figure out what’s been happening in the last couple of year. I mean, when I look at your data, you guys were down kind of coming into COVID. You guys really weren’t growing very much - I know that there was the ’18 year that was kind of messed up, but the industry was, I think, down kind of heading into COVID, it was at least weak, in the low single digit range. Isn’t the strength just really the last 12 months, like how are you so confident that what happened during COVID is really something that we kind of need to dig into and figure out how this has changed kind of a decade-plus long type of discussion we’ve been having for the last few years? Todd Bluedorn: I’m not a poli-sci major, I’m an electrical engineer and I look at the data, and everything I know about the data tells me two things: how long you run the unit impacts how long it lasts, and how hot the weather is, because in a spike up in temperature, it’s an exponential impact on how long the unit lasts. So the question that we’ve been asking ourselves is there has to be an impact of people staying at home - we’ve been talking about that for a year and a half, and I think it’s--I think you have to take the new facts into consideration. We all are as things are changing, and so we looked at the data and the data said 150,000 units are being run longer, and that fits with all my anecdotal evidence. We talked to dealers, I talked to my family members, my own freaking home, so it makes sense they’re running longer, and if they’re running longer, they’re going to break soon. And then I stepped back--I know JP Morgan’s coming back to work, but Lennox ain’t 100% and neither is Apple and neither is Dell, and neither is a lot of other companies, so it’s pretty clear to me it’s a phenomenon that’s going to change. Now, it may change back in five years, but it’s there and it’s going to have an impact. Steve Tusa: But I guess my point is--sorry, last one on this because I think it’s a really interesting discussion, obviously, it’s really been only the last 12 months, so I just struggle to read into something that’s happened in a pretty abnormal time period over the last 12 months, and you said, look, it’s 20% or whatever it is - I mean, your average sales have been up 20% for the last 12 months, so why haven’t we just experienced that and why are we making this out to be something that’s been a trend for two or three years that we have to figure out? I mean, again, I haven’t really been as bearish on the market in the last three to four year, but you know, the math, you know? Todd Bluedorn: I think you’re just stating what I’m saying. I’m saying two things. I think the weather’s been warmer over the last three or four years. I think the units over the last 18 months, because the pandemic started in March of 2020, units for the last 18 months have been running, pick your number, 20%, 30% longer, and that’s going to have an impact on the life cycle of the product. Then you ask yourself, is that going to continue, and the answer is yes, so I sort of extrapolated. If we were talking about Buicks and we said the entire country moved 20% further from their workplace and we’re going to put 20% more miles on the Buick, would the units break faster, we’d say of course they would, and that’s what we’re seeing in HVAC. Again, it’s been 18 months, I’m trying to get answers to what’s going on, the world’s changing quickly, Steve, and so we can wait another three years to come out with numbers, but I’m telling you what’s happening now. Steve Tusa: Right, right. Very, very helpful. Just one last one. Any color on--you gave us the days impact in 4Q, any color on just high level, what you expect the industry to grow in 3Q, maybe what you’re seeing so far in the first few days of July? Todd Bluedorn: We continue to do well. Demand is strong. On the industry call, we call this a full year, which is up low double digits, and we’ll see how it plays out. I think the variable that’s unaccounted for in my mind is those who are selling exclusively to independent distribution, as I’ve said, are going to hit a cliff before we do, and so I don’t know what they see. That will impact the industry more than what we do, because we’re a little less than 20% of it. The question is what’s the other 80% that are selling independent distribution do, because they’re going to hit a cliff before we do. Steve Tusa: Great, thanks for all the color. I appreciate it, Todd. Congrats again. Todd Bluedorn: Yes, thanks. Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions in the queue. I’ll turn it back to the speakers for closing comments. Todd Bluedorn: Thanks Operator. To wrap up, we raised guidance for revenue, profit, free cash flow, and stock repurchases for this year. Demand remains extremely strong and the company is doing as well or better than anyone in the market. We look forward to the second half and continued strong market conditions in 2022 and beyond. Thanks everyone for joining us. Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. We thank you for your participation and for using AT&T conferencing service. You may now disconnect.LII Ratings Summary
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Goldman Sachs analysts upgraded the rating for Lennox (NYSE:LII) from Sell to Buy and set a new price target of $455 per share.
The bank's rationale for this upgrade is based on several factors. They believe that the residential HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning) volumes have likely reached their low point and that advantageous pricing trends related to an upcoming refrigerant change will contribute to stronger growth in 2024.
Furthermore, the analysts anticipate improvements in commercial margins, suggesting that the company's profitability in this segment is not yet fully realized. They expressed confidence in Lennox's ability to continue to outperform market expectations.
Lennox Stock Upgraded at Goldman Sachs
Goldman Sachs analysts upgraded the rating for Lennox (NYSE:LII) from Sell to Buy and set a new price target of $455 per share.
The bank's rationale for this upgrade is based on several factors. They believe that the residential HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning) volumes have likely reached their low point and that advantageous pricing trends related to an upcoming refrigerant change will contribute to stronger growth in 2024.
Furthermore, the analysts anticipate improvements in commercial margins, suggesting that the company's profitability in this segment is not yet fully realized. They expressed confidence in Lennox's ability to continue to outperform market expectations.
