Hudson Global, Inc. (HSON) on Q4 2022 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the Hudson Global Conference Call for the Fourth Quarter of 2022. Our call today will be led by Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Eberwein and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Diamond. Please be advised that the statements made during the presentation include forward-looking statements under applicable securities laws. Such forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements. These risks are discussed in our Form 8-K filed today and in other filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our Annual Report on Form 10-K. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. During the course of this conference call, references will be made to non-GAAP terms such as constant currency, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings per diluted share. Reconciliations for these measures are included in our earnings release and quarterly slides, both posted on our website, www.hudsonrpo.com. I encourage you to access our earnings materials at this time as they will serve as a helpful reference guide during our call. I will now turn the call over to Jeff Eberwein.
Jeff Eberwein: Thank you, operator, and welcome everyone. We thank you for your interest in Hudson Global and for joining us today. I'll start by reviewing the fourth quarter 2022 highlights and Matt Diamond, our CFO, will provide some additional details on our financial results. I'll then give an update on current business conditions. In the fourth quarter of 2022 we reported revenue of $44 million and adjusted net revenue of $22.2 million. SG&A costs were $19.7 million in the fourth quarter and we recorded adjusted EBITDA of $2.4 million, net income of $0.1 million or $0.02 a share and adjusted net income of $0.33 a share versus a $1.02 a year ago. I'll now turn the call over to Matt Diamond, our CFO, to review our financial results by region as well as some additional financial details from the fourth quarter.
Matt Diamond : Thank you, Jeff, and good morning everyone. Revenue and adjusted net revenue for our Americas business decreased 12% in constant currency. Adjusted EBITDA of $0.5 million decreased versus last year's adjusted EBITDA of $2.7 million. Revenue for our Asia Pacific business decreased 7% year-over-year in constant currency, and adjusted net revenue grew 17% in constant currency. Adjusted EBITDA of $2.1 million decreased from adjusted EBITDA of $2.4 million a year ago. Our EMEA business grew revenue 14% and adjusted net revenue 33% in constant currency. Adjusted EBITDA of $0.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2022 increased slightly versus a year ago. Turning to some additional financial details from the fourth quarter, we ended Q4 with $27.5 million in cash and restricted cash. Day sales outstanding was 50 days at December 2022, up from DSO of 43 days in December 2021. In connection with the acquisition of Coit Group in the fourth quarter of 2020, Karani in the fourth quarter of 2021 and Hunt & Badge in the third quarter of 2022, our balance sheet as of year-end reflects $4.9 million of goodwill and $4.5 million of net amortizable intangible assets. The company's working capital, excluding cash, decreased to $7.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2022 from $7.8 million at the end of 2021. As a reminder, in April 2019 we finalized a credit facility in Australia to support the expected growth in working capital needs as a result of new client wins in that market, but we had nothing drawn on this facility at the end of Q4. The company generated $4.4 million in cash flow from operations during the fourth quarter. I'll now turn the call back over to Jeff to give some more perspective on our RPO business and to review current trends in our business.
Jeff Eberwein: Thank you, Matt. In the fourth quarter of 2022 we grew adjusted net revenue of 5%. A strong top line growth in the U.K. and Australia was partially offset by the slowdown in the tech sector and lower hiring volumes in China due to COVID-19 related lockdowns. Although adjusted EBITDA declined versus last year's fourth quarter, we were able to reduce SG&A costs by more than $1 million versus Q3 and can make further adjustments to our cost structure if needed. We continue to win new business, and we have a very experienced team with a history of navigating different market cycles. We believe we are well positioned to respond quickly to the needs of our clients at various activity levels. Further, I'd like to emphasize that our enterprise RPO work, which now comprises approximately 80% of our business continues to hold up very well. The remaining 20% of our business, which consists of work in the technology sector and project work is where we have seen a significant slowdown starting in the second half of last year. Our teams have responded accordingly to these market changes to protect our profitability and position the business to respond quickly should these conditions reverse. As always, I want to thank all of our highly dedicated employees for their flexibility, hard work and dedication to our clients and business in the challenging conditions we've been working through. Operator, can you please open the line for questions.
Operator: . Our first question comes from Marc Riddick with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.
Marc Riddick: Hi! Good morning.
Jeff Eberwein : Good morning.
Marc Riddick: So I was wondering if you could bring us up to data as to maybe what you're seeing as far as the pricing environment, bill rates, pay rates, as well as I recall you were working on putting through some price increases. Maybe just sort of give an update as to maybe what you're seeing there.
Jeff Eberwein : Sure. Yeah, the issue that we had in the second half of last year was all volume related. Pricing continues to be positive, and we are getting continued price increases. In general, our pricing follows wage rates and the labor market. So if wage rates, labor rates are going up, that's a pretty good indicator, a leading indicator for our pricing trends.
Marc Riddick: Okay, and then I was wondering this to be â one of the things I did notice about the results was the tax rate seem to be kind of higher than maybe I was expecting. I was wondering if there was anything in particular there that we should be aware of.
Jeff Eberwein : Yes, that's a really good question, Marc. Really itâs just a mix issue and itâs frustrating because we have such a large NOL, but that NOL is only for U.S. income, and as you know we're very global and generate income around the world. So like in Q4 â Q3 and Q4 we had a decline in the U.S. which effectively has a 0% tax rate and international grew as a percentage of total, and if you if you look at our 10-K when it comes out, you'll see that we pay taxes in places like Australia, UK, Hong Kong, China, and so that's why the effective rate looks a little crazy. It's really because of mix.
Marc Riddick: Okay, that makes sense. And then I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about, given the â you mentioned in your prepared remarks, some of the prior acquisition activities. I was wondering if it just sort of give us an update as to maybe what you're seeing out there and what your thoughts maybe as to â well, if anything much has changed, whether it be at the pipeline or potential valuations or maybe geographic mix attracting us, anything like that.
Jeff Eberwein : Yeah, I would say, I would summarize it by saying we're always looking, but we're patient and waiting for some good opportunities to come along. There were actually quite a few acquisition possibilities that were on the market last year. A few of those did get acquired by other people who were just willing to pay a higher valuation than we were. But quite a few of them didn't happen, didn't get done and we're always in the market, we're always looking, we don't have to do anything. We are really looking for those situations where (a) itâs a good valuation, immediately accretive, but (b) really adds something to our business that maybe we don't have or is just easier to acquire than to build from scratch, whether it's in a new sector or a new geographic region, that's really what we're looking for.
Marc Riddick: Great! And then I guess the last one for me. I know we've seen a lot of headlines around everything that's taking place in the tech world. I think in some prior commentary that you've made, you were talking about how some of that kind of filtered from smaller companies to bigger companies I guess throughout the year, last year leading into this year. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about maybe what you were seeing in some of the other verticals or are there any call outs that maybe we're not seeing as much talked about, that would be worthy to know about. Thank you.
Jeff Eberwein : Yes, I would say we're seeing a lot of strength in health care and health care for us is life sciences, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, you know other companies. My other providers might focus on hospital chains and health care providers. That's not really what we mean when we talk about Healthcare. So that's the area of particular strength, but weâre also seeing some strength in select consumer, particularly high end and manufacturing industrials. There's some pocket of strength there, and there's some pockets of strength in financial services. So it's really - there's a lot going on under the surface, but in general those have been areas where weâve won new business. Clients are continuing to hire at healthy rates and by far the weaker sector as we talk about is the technology sector. And even there we're â our team is repositioned, and there are a few areas where there is still some decent activity like IT Services, and we're starting to see some activity with AI related companies, and those are typically backed by venture capital firms, but we're seeing more and more of those startups get funded and need to partner with someone like us to help them ramp.
Marc Riddick: Great, and then one â I'll sneak in one last one, sorry. I wondered â see if you had any update as to maybe what you're seeing with RPO trends and recent activity given the macroeconomic environment. Thanks.
Jeff Eberwein: Yes, it continues to be healthy. So enterprise RPO, which is the vast bulk of what we do had a really good year last year, and we think we'll have another good year this year. And like I mentioned just a minute ago, by far the biggest opportunities are in health care, and I would chalk that up to it being somewhat independent of the economic cycle or what's going on in the banking sector. But I would also chalk it up to just kind of coming out of COVID. A lot of those companies, either want to use RPO, have an RPO solution for the first time, and they've been studying it for a while and they just were kind of on hold because of COVID, because that was such a distraction and they were dealing with that. And then another thing we're seeing is that they are unhappy with their incumbent provider, because the incumbent provider didn't, wasn't as in some cases as flexible as they needed them to be. And so we're seeing more opportunities than usual to pitch for business where the client is already convinced RPO is the way to go and they are just not satisfied with their current partner.
Marc Riddick: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Ignacio Bernaldez with EF Hutton. Please go ahead.
Ignacio Bernaldez: Hey! Good morning, and thank you for your time. I'm calling on behalf of Eddie Reilly. Two questions here. The first, regarding the new business wins mentioned in the press release, just curious what's driving these wins given the current macro environment.
Jeff Eberwein : Yeah, well there's always as someone on TV says, there's always a bull market somewhere. And when I look at this, itâs probably one of the more encouraging things we've won a healthy amount of new business in the first quarter. I would estimate it at around $3 million, and that number is an annualized net revenue number. It doesn't mean $3 million additional in 2023, that's when itâs fully up and running what the annualized run rate it. And it's a collection of gaming, healthcare. We won a pretty decent size account with a specialty chemical company that focuses on clean water products, hygiene products, and so it's really just looking for where the need is and responding to that client need. I think we've all seen situations like during COVID, where a lot of sectors, a lot of countries were on pause and then coming out of COVID it was to varying degrees; all sectors, all countries at full steam ahead. And I would just say the current environment is more mixed. There's a lot going on in some countries, some sectors, some companies and the real epicenter of the weakness from what we see is the tech sector, particularly you know the West Cost of the U.S. Thatâs the real epicenter, and it's as bad as other severe downturns like after the dot-com burst and during the great financial crisis.
Ignacio Bernaldez: That's really helpful, thank you. And then just secondly hear, just kind of looking ahead at 2023, wondering what your top strategic priority for the yeah is?
Jeff Eberwein : Yeah, thatâs a really good question. It's really just to continue to execute well and make sure that our investments are prudent and delivering the results we expect them to deliver. While we've talked in the past about how much we've increased investment spending, and we're â we believe we're in a growth business. We believe we're a growth company and the areas where we have significantly increased our spending versus say four or five years ago are the areas of sales, marketing, technology, and we continue to invest in those areas. We think it's very high ROI and thatâs why we think, that's why we're seeing a pretty healthy pipeline of new business opportunities. It's because of those investments we've made. And so it's really just making sure that those are playing out the way we expect them to, given the investment that we played out.
Ignacio Bernaldez: That's really helpful. Thank you so much for your time today.
Jeff Eberwein : Absolutely.
Operator: Our next question comes from Mark Bishop a Private Investor.
A - Jeff Eberwein: Good morning!
Unidentified Participant: Hi! Thanks for taking my call. I have a couple of things here. First, in your â you said you cut about $1 million plus in SG&A. How much of that flowed through to Q4 and how much has not benefited earnings yet?
Jeff Eberwein : Yes, I would say we have a very flexible â just at a high level, we have a very flexible cost structure and so we can adjust fairly quickly to changes in activity levels. And the second half of last year was one of those odd times where certain clients, certain countries, certain sectors were ramping, while others were decreasing, and there can be some inefficiencies in the short term as we move people around and we had situations where we're hiring in one area and reducing in another area. That usually takes a quarter or two to kind of work itself out and a very good rule of thumb is that our SG&A costs should run around 70% of adjusted net revenue. So just like if you were building a model or kind of looking at a long term forecast, that's a pretty good way to look at the business we think. So if we get another $1 of revenue in general, we have to add $0.70 of SG&A and that other $0.30 should drop down to the EBITDA line, because we already have all the costs of being global and the overhead and different things like that. So we were just pointing out that our SG&A costs in absolute dollars declined by, I think it was a little over $1 million dollars in Q4 versus Q3 and we can make further adjustments up or down as required by our clients. And we just wanted to highlight that just to show we do have a flexible business model, we can make adjustments pretty quickly. Sometimes it takes a quarter or two, but over time we do think that 70% number is a good one to use in terms of SG&A as a percent of net revenue.
Unidentified Participant: Okay, just looking at your numbers here from your presentation, you have adjusted net revenue for the year. I see for the quarter youâve had it at about almost $20 million on adjusted net revenue of â22. 70% would be more like $15 million or $16 million I think or something like that. Does that mean that going forward, like in the next couple of quarters we could expect that SG&A number to get back to you know in the neighborhood of 70% of adjusted net revenue or am I looking at the numbers wrong?
Jeff Eberwein : No, I think you're looking at the numbers, right. You now itâs hard to give precise guidance by quarter on something like that, but that definitely is the trend and that is where it will normalize to over time. And for example, coming out of COVID, hiring volumes in a lot of sectors, in a lot of geographies increased so quickly that I think our SG&A divided by net revenue was below 70% for a while, which is kind of an unsustainable level. Said another way, our team was stretched incredibly thin and was working way more than kind of normal work hours. I think one other thing, if you look at the SG&A numbers is that you have to strip out the non-recurring items. Sometimes there's some non-recurring items in the SG&A number. And then when I look at â I mean we stopped giving guidance during COVID and not giving guidance for the year. But when I look out for this year, Q1 is always the slowest quarter of the year. That is largely due to our significant presence in Asia PAC. Most of Australia is at the beach in January, and you have a Chinese New Year and China, Hong Kong was ended â ended the year on a very weak note and started the year on a weak note. So Q1 is almost always the weakest quarter of the year for us, and I think 2023 is going to be no exception. And then I think each quarter will show an improvement versus the prior quarter. So if things go the way we think, and there's no massive disruption in the economy or hiring trends or anything like that, probably the highest quarter of the year will be Q3 or Q4. And then just the way the annualization works, you know we entered 2022 on a really, really strong note. So we had a very strong Q1, very strong q2 and then we started seeing weakness in Q3 and further weakness in to Q4. And so the comps get much easier when you get out to like Q3 and so I think we'll be having positive year-over-year comps when you get out to Q3 and Q4. So to answer your direct question, you know we are very confident we'll be at that number sometime around the middle of the year, Q2 or Q3 in terms of 70% of net revenue, SG&A being 70% of net revenue. Probably itâll be worse than that in Q1.
Unidentified Participant: Okay, that's great. Thank you very much for all that. On your â you said that tech and project revenue are the weak areas. I was wondering if you could break out â is that still 20% of revenue, and can you break that out by tech versus project, and give a little bit of thought on whether you think tech is anywhere near, near the bottom or you think it has maybe some more weakness to come or if you think project is just sporadic by its nature or is it being reined in more because of economic things.
Jeff Eberwein : Yes, all good questions, and let me just zoom out a little bit and say our original business, our bread and butter business is enterprise RPO. And that is the growth, that's the highest value thing we do. Its typically three year contracts with medium to larger size companies. Itâs usually Fortune 500 companies. Most of our clients are big publically traded companies that you've heard of. We have three other businesses weâre in that we think all helped funnel business to enterprise RPO. So one of the contracting work we do, that is historically largely just kind of a side service we offer for our enterprise RPO clients. But there have been a few examples where we've led with contracting to build a relationship with the hope that it leads to enterprise RPO and our biggest new business win in Q1 was exactly that. It was a contracting client that became an enterprise RPO client. So we're very, very happy about that. In the tech sector, the most of the work we do in the tech sector came from the Coit acquisition we did in late 2020 and that's a different business model. That's more recruiter on-demand, itâs more from pre IPO companies. It can be turned on, turned off fairly quickly and we might have a contract in place like an MSA type of contract. But it can be ramped up or ramped down and a little bit somewhere for project work. So we're hoping the whole reason to do recruit on-demand in the tax sector and to do project work is to convert that to enterprise RPO. So I just wanted to kind of throw that out there. And in terms of the numbers, I think coming into 2022 a year ago, tech sector was really, really strong. Project work was very strong coming out of COVID. Companies needed as much help as they could possibly get. Enterprise RPO takes a long time to put in place, it takes a long time to study and kind of show people what it can do. And there was a big need for project work. And so coming out of COVID, we saw a tremendous amount of strength in tech, a tremendous amount of strength in project work, and probably at the peak a year ago, it was probably 30% of our total, and by the end of the year it was probably down to 15% of our total. And I would split that half tech half project. So right now today, enterprise RPO is probably 80% to 85% of what we do, and it's very, very steady and is growing, and the big, big areas of weakness have been in that the tech sector and the project work.
Unidentified Participant: That's very helpful, thank you. As a question, I've been hearing that there may be some issues with private equity in general. I just didn't know if â can you speak to whether you're seeing any weakness or any talk of possible future concerns for your premier customers that are backed by private equity.
Jeff Eberwein : Yeah, short version is we don't see that. We don't have that many clients that are backed by a private equity firm. Most of our enterprise RPO clients like I mentioned are big publicly traded companies. We do have one client interestingly enough, and this is just an antidote that's owned by a PE firm. Its one of the big global PE firms, and it's a European based company, and they just acquired a publicly traded company, and so we're going to get a lot more business because of that. So I would say the one client that comes to mind that is PE backed is doing incredibly well and just made a huge acquisition, so. And if there is a lot of weakness with PE owned companies, we wouldn't really see that, because we're not really exposed to that, except for maybe in the tech sector where we do have exposure to PE and VC owned companies. And like I've been talking about, that's kind of balancing along at a really low level, and we've already seen the big decline, and that was in Q3 and Q4.
Unidentified Participant: Okay, that's great. Iâm almost done here. Just the last, the last one then thank you is, do you see â do you think this is a good time to still be considering acquisitions or do you â are you more weary because of economic uncertainty? And secondly, can you talk about how your India acquisition that you did is doing?
Jeff Eberwein : Sure. So acquisitions are a tricky thing because it takes a willing buyer and a willing seller, and so our approach is to always be in the market, always looking. We learn a lot from that approach, from just being in the market and meeting with different companies and listening to their business model and how they approach the market. And the acquisitions we've done have really come from it just being the right place at the right time a really good fit, and we had a vision where one plus one equals three, where we could do that acquisition, and we were the natural owner, and we could really help accelerate their growth. That's really the key to it. So itâs much more bottom up than some macroeconomic view or trying to predict what the market's going to do or what the economy is going to do or what hiring volumes are going to do. In terms of the India acquisition we made last year, that was a very, very small acquisition. We do think we got it at an attractive valuation based on their historic results. They have been impacted by the slowdown in hiring in the tech sector. But they have a very strong list of clients that they do business with, both in the past and currently, and we are winning new business in India. So it's really a very, very small acquisition, but it positions us very well for what we think will be a great place to be for decades to come. So historically, we haven't had any offering in India. We've had employees in India, but they are serving U.S. clients, and with that acquisition we now have an offering in India, and our strategy is to work. This is similar to what, to our strategy in China were, where we're working for European, U.S., UK, multinationals who have big operations in India.
Unidentified Participant: Thank you very much for all that.
Jeff Eberwein : Sure.
Operator: That concludes today's question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Jeff Eberwein for closing remarks.
Jeff Eberwein: All good questions, thank you very much. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for your interest in Hudson Global. Feel free to contact us anytime using the contact information and our press release or on our Investor Relations website and we look forward to updating you on next quarter's call. Have a great day!
Operator: Thank you for joining Hudson Global fourth quarter conference call. Today's call has been recorded and will be available on the Investors Section of our website hudsonrpo.com.
