Hooker Furnishings Corporation (HOFT) on Q3 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Greetings ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Hooker Furniture Quarterly Investor Conference Call reporting its Operating Results for the 2021 Third Quarter. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Paul Huckfeldt, Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer for Hooker Furniture Corporation. Paul Huckfeldt: Thank you, Joelle. Good morning and welcome to our quarterly conference call to review the financial results for our fiscal 2021 third quarter, which began on August 3rd, 2020 and ended on November 1st, 2020. We certainly appreciate your participation this morning. Paul Toms: Thank you, Paul and good morning, everyone. We were encouraged on many fronts by our third quarter financial performance and pleased with the business rebound that began in mid-May, continues to gain traction. Jeremy Hoff: Thank you, Paul. The Hooker Branded segment net sales increased by $3.6 million or 8.2% in the fiscal 2021 third quarter compared to the same period a year ago. Both Hooker Casegoods and Hooker Upholstery had steady sales growth, driven by increased overall demand from most residential distribution channels with incoming orders surging 36% compared to prior year. Order backlogs at the end of the quarter were up 159% versus quarter end in the prior year same period. The Hooker Branded segment has been able to take advantage of exceptional demand due to our ability to secure manufacturing capacity. Rationalizing our overall assortment, while focusing our inventory purchases on our top performing collections has helped us further mitigate supply constraints. Despite the April and October highpoint markets being disrupted due to COVID-19, we were able to pre-cut, ship, and start selling four major new collections. Developing and utilizing new digital marketing strategies has enabled us to launch new products successfully. Considering the many disruptions of 2020, we are pleased that the Hooker Branded segment achieved a $7.7 million operating income for the quarter, which represents a 16.3% operating income margin. The sales increase drove the solid profitability performance along with lower sales and administrative spending and warehousing and distribution cost reductions. Our Domestic Upholstery segment was significantly impacted by COVID-19 in the first and second quarter, and it has taken some time to ramp up production to normal levels. We were pleased to see third quarter sales rebound to prior year levels and profitability increased slightly despite the material price increases and labor and efficiencies as we ramp back up. All three Domestic Upholster divisions are seeing strong demand and are working selective overtime and hiring additional workers to meet this demand and to work down order backlogs. Now, I'd like to call on Lee Boone to give more detail on the HMI segment this quarter. Lee Boone: Thank you, Jeremy. HMI's third quarter sales were $73.7 million, down 14% from prior year. Operating profit was $2.5 million, an increase of $6.4 million from the loss recorded in the second quarter of last year. Third quarter profitability was enhanced by improved gross margins over prior year and numerous spending reductions implemented earlier this year in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. In addition, excess returns and allowances were reduced versus prior year. Paul Huckfeldt: Thanks Lee. Consolidated net sales decreased primarily due to the sales decline in the Home Meridian segment, partially offset by increased net sales in the Hooker Branded segments. Average selling price increased 12.3% on a consolidated basis due to increased ASP in all reportable segments and all other. Hooker Branded net sales increased due to a 6.2% increased unit volume and to a lesser extent a 1% increase average selling price. The Home Meridian net sales decrease was driven by a 20% unit volume decrease due to inventory availability as well as lower sales in the Samuel Lawrence Hospitality division, due to the negative impact of COVID-19 on the hospitality industry. HMI average selling price increased 7.9%, but it was not sufficient to offset the unit volume loss. Paul Toms: Thank you, Paul. As we head into the fourth quarter, we're very encouraged our significant backlog and robust demand from all residential channels. We're making progress with our supply chain challenges, as our overseas suppliers and own factories ramp up production to allow us to meet the strong demand. However, some of these challenges will continue to impact us through the fourth quarter and into early next year. We're concerned about the recent surge in COVID infections and hospitalizations nationally. We continue to maintain rigorous safety protocols in all our workplaces and are proud that we have had essentially no workplace spread in any location. Those employees who can work remotely continue to do so. The safety and health of our employees remains a top priority. As we look forward to the next two to three quarters, we're very optimistic and believe we have the backlog, order velocity, and momentum to continue to deliver very strong results. This ends the formal part of our discussion. And at this time, I will turn the call back over to Joelle for questions. Operator: Thank you. Our first question comes from Anthony Lebiedzinski with Sidoti & Company. Your line is now open. Anthony Lebiedzinski: Thank you and good morning everyone. Thanks for taking the question. So, just one obviously, you guys have seen a very robust strong demand. And thanks for providing the data about the incoming orders and backlog. So, what is your sense of service -- the demand -- how long do you think this can continue? What is your sense of that? Paul Toms: Anthony, this is Paul Toms. And that's a good question. We get that quite a bit on -- from recent investor presentations. I think it's kind of a mixed bag. But generally, I think we expect that we're in a very advantaged position. And a lot of it will be longer term and the short -- shorter term, say in the next six to nine months, I think we continue to benefit from less competition for discretionary spending from industries that we typically compete with, like travel, dining out, and leisure and entertainment. However, I believe with the vaccination maybe by second to third quarter next year, some of those industries will bounce back a little bit. However, I think a bigger impact on our business is what's going on with demographic with millennials, Gen X, becoming a bigger part of home buying, people moving out of metropolitan areas to suburbs and more rural areas, moving into larger homes. I think housing looks like it's going to be good for an extended period of time. Inventory is obviously a challenge, but interest rates are very favorable and affordability is still good. And I think that housing could benefit us for two, three, four years or longer. It's really been since before the 2008-2009 recession that housing has been this robust. So, we're encouraged by housing trends, we're encouraged by demographic trends, we think things that have been positive in terms of competing with other industries for discretionary spending, will probably last another six months or so. And even then I think some travel will take longer to come back then just absent. So, we have vaccines. So, I hope that helps. Anthony Lebiedzinski: Yes, absolutely. Thanks so much for that, Paul. So, the gross margin that we saw in this quarter was the best one in the wild, for sure. So, what's your sense as to the sustainability of this gross margin improvement? Paul Huckfeldt: I think that we're getting back to more normal conditions, but the gross margin is a little skewed because our Hooker Branded division has higher gross margins than the HMI division. And so our sales mix was a little bit skewed out of normal. I don't think it's -- I don't think that the margin is going to be sustainable at this level once we get -- once HMI gets their shipments back on track. But I think that we return to more historical levels, which I think are still healthy. But I think the 22.4% is the high end of the range right now. Anthony Lebiedzinski: Got it. Okay. And thanks for that Paul. And as far as the distribution center that you will be opening up in Georgia, can you give us a sense as to the CapEx that you'll need to put in or maybe some other quantifiable measures? And as far as once you have that facility up and running, is there any way that you guys can quantify the freight savings or operational efficiencies? Paul Huckfeldt: Well, looks like next year we'll probably spend $3 million to $3.5 million in capital expenditures. We've got expense items that we'll call out to probably in the million-ish dollar range that we'll call those out as we incur those, that'll be like moving costs, inventory relocations, some advance training. So, we'll call those out as we pin those numbers down. I think that we can -- we should be able to do a rough calculation of freight savings. Freight's a commodity item and freight rates vary, but I think that we can count the number of containers and calculate a difference. So, we can certainly quantify that. And obviously that's an important part of that and the operational efficiencies of a new building -- of a new design -- building design for us are the reasons we're doing this in the first place. Anthony Lebiedzinski: Okay, got it. Okay. And then so as far as cash flow, obviously, you guys talked about benefiting from inventory reductions and accounts payable. So, looking forward, other than planned inventory increases and kind of a normalization of accounts payable, what would you say are the primary usages of cash flow? And what is your outlook on potential acquisitions? Paul Huckfeldt: Paying down debt is going to be our first. I think our credit facility expires in February and we're negotiating a new revolver. But I think that we're going to pay down the $25 million as a term debt that we have on the books. It's not a lot of money, but I think that that's probably one of the better uses of cash in the short-term. Acquisitions, I think that we've stated pretty regularly that we would like -- that we believe we can grow by acquisition and we're comfortable making acquisitions. So, we're looking for acquisitions. I can't say that we have anything on the books right now, but that's certainly one of our primary capital allocation targets is to grow by making smart acquisitions. Anthony Lebiedzinski: Okay, well, thank you so much and best of luck. Paul Toms: Thanks Anthony. Paul Huckfeldt: Thanks Anthony. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Sandy Mehta with Evaluate Research. Your line is now open. Sandy Mehta: Yes, congratulations on the very strong earnings this quarter. Following up on the prior question, you have a very high net cash position, strong free cash flow. You talked about acquisitions, what about possible special dividends? I've noticed that several of the other furniture companies have declared special dividend, is that something that you may consider? Paul Toms: This is Paul Toms. We historically have paid out a healthy dividend. Some of the companies that you see paying special dividends in our industry, either suspended or reduce their dividend earlier this year. But I think if you look at the payout of our dividend over time as a percent of earnings and as a percent of share price is pretty good. So, at this point, no, we don't have any intentions of paying our special dividend. We did just increase the dividend 12.5% for the fifth consecutive year; I think that we've increased it. We believe that we've paid a dividend for the last 50 years. So, it's been very consistent and even in the 2008-2009 downturn, we didn't cut the dividend. So, we're very proud of our record of paying a dividend and consistently increasing it in most environments. Sandy Mehta: And one follow-up question, also the -- I know you have shifted a lot of the imports to Vietnam and other geographies. So, the whole China tariffs issue which impacted you and the industry over the last couple years; is that now largely over just -- I mean I know you have other supply issues, but the China tariff issue, is that sort of behind you now? Thank you. Paul Toms: I think that it's mostly behind us. We do still source some product in China and especially in this environment where we're having a hard time getting all the production we need. We have moved some products back -- or some excess production back to China, but I also believe that we have mostly mitigated the impact of those 25% tariffs through price increases to our customers. So, definitely less impacted than we were a year, year and a half ago, and it's very manageable at this point. Also as a percent of our total production, the amount of product we produced in China has dropped from probably north of 40% to less than 20% of our total. Paul Huckfeldt: Lifting those tariffs would benefit our customers and the consumers though. Paul Toms: I don't think that's likely. Yeah. Sandy Mehta: Thank you very much. Paul Toms: All right. Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from John Deysher with Pinnacle. Your line is now open. John Deysher: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I was just curious what the backlog was at the end of the quarter, please? Paul Huckfeldt: I don't have that number handy. I'd rather not make it up. John Deysher: Okay. In terms of the potential headwinds, you highlighted higher shipping container costs issues with supply chain. How is that tracking quarter-to-date in the fourth quarter? Paul Toms: This is Paul Toms. We're still dealing with those challenges. I don't think that container availability has been really improved significantly at this point. We hope it will, but honestly, we're looking at probably after Chinese New Year and Tết before it does. Vessel space is also a challenge, but probably less of a challenge than the container availability. And up into this point, I would say more in the second quarter than the third quarter, but still trailing into the third quarter, just production capacity. And Vietnam was a challenge. But I think our vendors are ramping up every month, they seem to be producing more than the prior month and so that would be behind the challenge of containers and vessels space. John Deysher: So, it's a positive trend. Going forward, it's not getting worse? Paul Toms: It's -- I would say production is increasing. I think vessel space is probably more available now than it was in the second quarter. Containers, the availability of shipping containers is probably the one area that hasn't improved. And I quite honestly until that does, the production capacity and the vessel space doesn't really help us that much unless we can get the cans to put the product down. So, I think we're managing our way through it, but we could certainly have another month -- a couple of months of challenges with that. John Deysher: Okay, thanks. That's helpful. You mentioned possibly paying off the term loan before it comes due I think February 1st of next year? Is that -- do you think that'll happen? And what about the revolver, where are you with the negotiations for extending that? Paul Huckfeldt: We're in the final stages of those negotiations. I'm very comfortable that we'll replace the revolver. We -- and like I said earlier, we feel like paying off the term loan is a wise use of capital in this environment and with our capital needs. If we make an acquisition that requires additional capital, we'll go back to the capital markets and look for another term loan. John Deysher: Okay, that makes sense. Just back to the backlog, will that be disclosed in the 10-Q when that comes out? Paul Huckfeldt: I believe it is. John Deysher: It is okay. It would just be helpful to know that so -- be good if it is. Thanks. Good luck to you. Paul Huckfeldt: Thank you. Operator: And next question comes from Jeff Geygan with Global Value Investment. Your line is open. Jeff Geygan: Hey good morning, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my questions. The four new collections Jeremy, could you give us a little more color on that, what it is? How do you see it scaling? Where does it fit in and so on? Jeremy Hoff: Good morning. This is Jeremy Hoff. I would say that four new collections is somewhat typical of what we would probably be able to cut -- get out into the marketplace and sell in a full year, which is how we tried to look at the disrupted markets that we had. As far as putting context around how large they are, I really can't answer that without guessing, but early indications are there's two of them that I would call A category, top category for us. And the other two would probably be more in B category. So, I don't know how to help you more than that on the volume. We hope it's as big as anything we've done, but I just can't say that at this point. Jeff Geygan: That's fair; the A/B is helpful. Appreciate it. Paul Huckfeldt regarding margin, I think you mentioned the mix back to HMI, which got off to kind of unexpected start with the consolidation. Where should we think about margin for that division or segment in the future, as it stabilizes and matures? Paul Huckfeldt: They are inherently lower-margin business and I would say they're in the mid to high teens is probably a sustainable model. Obviously, we're trying to push that margin up and some combination of efficiencies, price increases where we need to, but I'd say it's the mid to high teens overall. Jeff Geygan: All right. Appreciate that. And last question for you. And this is back to the prior question of the supply constraints or disruptions you've had, and you've explained it very well in terms of capacity and logistics, which is the bigger issue? Paul Huckfeldt: In the short-term than logistics, just getting containers to products and longer term, I just don't see -- I think there's plenty of shipping vessels that are available if things get kind of out of kilter earlier in the year. And I think they'll get the equipment located in the right spot, so make additional containers. I don't think those are going to be long lasting impacts and production capacity as they're already doing a good job of ramping up. I expect that we'll see our backlogs come down some as we enter next year. And both also domestically, which is only about 15% to 20% of our total volume. But we're ramping up production in all five of our Domestic Upholstery facilities. And we're very bullish on next year there because of the backlogs we have and the increased production that we're planning, we have to get through the current COVID challenges that we have, we do have employees that are either out because have tested positive, or they've been around somebody that tested positive and need to quarantine. So, we probably 10% of our workforce at any given time that is part of our safety protocol and I think we'll certainly make progress on that. But maybe closer to one, we have a vaccine. Jeff Geygan: All right. I appreciate your time today. Congratulations. I think you've managed this pandemic brilliantly. So, I look forward to seeing your future results. Paul Huckfeldt: Thanks for that. Paul Toms: Thank you. Paul Huckfeldt: Thank you. Operator: Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Paul Toms for closing remarks. Paul Toms: All right. Thank you, Joelle. And thanks everybody for joining us today for the third quarter earnings call. We're encouraged by the momentum that we have in the business. As previously announced, I'll be retiring as CEO on January 31st, 2021. So, this will be my last call. I will remain as Chairman of the Board. Jeremy Hoff, our current President of Corporate Legacy will become the CEO effective February 1st, 2021. He and the entire leadership team are well equipped to lead Hooker Furniture into the future and a bright future it is. We have a great deal of momentum driven by positive demographic and housing trends. There's numerous strategies to grow both organically and through strategic accretive acquisitions. We have a very strong balance sheet that sustained us through the current COVID challenges, but also 10 or 12 years ago through the economic downturn that that balance sheet will continue to help us as we go forward with acquisitions. We have a unique culture that has sustained this company for 96 years. A very strong cohesive management team with a good runway left ahead in their careers. I've never been more bullish on the prospects of Hooker Furniture. Thanks again for joining us today. Best wishes to you and your families for a safe and healthy holiday. Thank you. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.HOFT Ratings Summary
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Financial Performance of Hooker Furniture Corporation (NASDAQ:HOFT)
Hooker Furniture Corporation, trading as NASDAQ:HOFT, is a well-known furniture company that designs, imports, and markets residential furniture. The company has a diverse product range, including casegoods, leather furniture, and fabric-upholstered furniture.
Despite its established presence, HOFT faces competition from other furniture manufacturers and retailers, which can impact its financial performance. On June 12, 2025, HOFT reported an earnings per share (EPS) of -$0.29, which was below the estimated EPS of -$0.16. This quarterly loss was wider than the Zacks Consensus Estimate, as highlighted by Zacks. However, it marks an improvement from the previous year's loss of $0.39 per share.
This indicates some progress, although the company still struggles to meet market expectations. The company's actual revenue for the period was $85.3 million, falling short of the estimated $88.9 million. This shortfall in revenue highlights the challenges HOFT faces in achieving its sales targets.
The price-to-sales ratio of approximately 0.30 suggests that the stock is valued at 30 cents for every dollar of sales, indicating a low market valuation relative to its sales. HOFT's financial metrics reveal further insights into its current situation. The price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio of approximately -9.30 and an earnings yield of about -10.75% reflect negative earnings.
The enterprise value to sales ratio of 0.46 and the enterprise value to operating cash flow ratio of -7.91 indicate challenges in generating positive cash flow. Despite these challenges, the debt-to-equity ratio of 0.34 shows a moderate level of debt, and a current ratio of 3.53 suggests a strong ability to cover short-term liabilities.
