Canadian Pacific Railway Limited (CP) on Q1 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Good afternoon. My name is Christine, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Canadian Pacific's First Quarter 2021 Conference Call. The slides accompanying today's call are available at www.cpr.ca. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session . Chris De Bruyn: Thank you, Christine. Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us today. Before we begin, I want to remind you this presentation contains forward-looking information. Actual results may differ materially. The risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could influence actual results are described on Slide 2 in the press release and in the MD&A filed with Canadian and US regulators. This presentation also contains non-GAAP measures outlined on Slide 3. With me here today is our Keith Creel, President and Chief Executive Officer; Nadeem Velani, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and John Brooks, our Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer. The formal remarks will be followed by Q&A. In the interest of time, we'd appreciate if you could limit your questions to one. It is now my pleasure to introduce our President and CEO, Mr. Keith Creel. Keith Creel: Thank you, Chris. Good afternoon. I appreciate everyone joining us today. Certainly, we've got some exciting things to talk about. I would suggest the results are very compelling. I look forward to getting to those and sharing those great results and thanking our 12,000 strong family of railroaders that enabled them. But before we get to the actual results, I think it's appropriate that we address perhaps the M&A buzz that’s in the air and I'm going to take it from an approach where I'm going to focus on the truth, because the truth matters. I think the truth will indicate that yesterday we all woke up to witness CN’s unsolicited led superior offer to the KCS board and to the market in comparison to our partnership agreement with the KCS that we announced a month ago. And I'm sure the truth is you're all sitting there thinking, well, where does CP stand? What do we think? How we react? Perhaps where we surprised? And I think the best and only way to address those points and frankly, anything tied to what is truly the only unique and unparalleled strategic value opportunity combination is with the truth. The undeniable facts, I think that's perhaps the best way to do that. So let's start with where we surprised. The answer is no, obviously. Perhaps I've got a bit of unique industry experience in my history. I’ve uniquely ran both companies as the CEO, obviously, at this company, as an Operating Officer at this company, as the Senior Operating Officer, as the competitor, the alternative, both with experience on the CN network and actually, I think perhaps people realize by now if it's not my vernacular that gives it away then my resume does. I started my career with the Canadian National in the Illinois Central in Memphis, Tennessee. And worked in Jackson, Mississippi, where I, as I share with our KCS partners last week in Kansas City. My first experience 25 years ago working with the KCS started, competing against and partnering with at the same time in Jackson, interchanging with. And actually the truth is that my senior operating chief here, Mark Redd, actually started his career on the KCS, spent 20 years there. And that's where, if I go back to my IC days, I developed the respect for Mark as an operator. So that's true. John Brooks: All right. Thanks, Keith, and good afternoon, everyone. So let me start by saying I was very pleased with how the quarter played out. Aside from the challenging winter weather conditions in February that Keith spoke to, January came in significantly above our high expectations, and March was an all time record month for us. The demand environment across most of our business lines continue to strengthen. And I'm frankly super excited and more excited than I was coming out of Q4 on what this year is going to shape up to be. So looking specifically at Q1, RTMs were slightly positive in the quarter. Total revenues were down 4%, fuel and FX combined for about a 4% headwind and the pricing environment continues to strengthen for us. I'll take a look at our revenue performance here now by commodity and speak to the results on a currency adjusted basis. So starting with grain, volumes were up 19% on the quarter, with revenues up 10%. So every month this quarter and Q1 was a record in Canadian grain for us, marking it six straight record quarters. I'm incredibly proud of our operating team across the entire network and our partners in the grain supply chain that helped us execute and deliver this exceptional performance. I'm also pleased to provide an update on the volume related composite price index or the VRCPI. This is the index set by the Canadian Transportation Agency in which we had appealed the methodology changes that had taken place for 2020, 2021 crop year. And we were successful in the appeal, and the CPA is reevaluating their cost of capital assessment on the VRCPI. We expect that change for the current crop year to now come in at about a negative 2% to 3% compared to the original assessment of around negative 7%. On the US grain front, another great story, our strong origination franchise continues to see robust demand. Again, the operating team here working closely with our customers to deliver the US grain, the market. Our RTMs are up over 35% year-over-year. Demand to the P&W for export remains steady and some of the strongest we've seen in years. Now looking forward, despite some declining stocks in areas across Canada and dry conditions in some regions, I continue to expect grain on both sides of the border to continue to deliver steady volumes as we move through quarter two. On the potash front, volumes were down 9% on the quarter. The decrease in volume reflects the impact to export volumes as a result of some track expansion work that's been ongoing at Canpotex's Portland facility. I can tell you this work is now completed. We're working closely with Canpotex as this will drive increased capacity and new efficiencies through this terminal outlet. Although April here is off to a little bit of a slow start, the demand for potash remains extremely strong. And I still see an opportunity to deliver record tonnages in potash for Q2. And to close out the bulk business, coal revenues were up 9% while volumes were up 19% as the supply chain executed very well and we lapped port maintenance issues that had occurred in Q1 2020. On the merchandise front, turning to energy, chemicals and plastics portfolio where we saw revenues and volumes decline about 19%. Excluding crude, ECP volumes were up 6% in the quarter, driven by improving export and domestic demand for LPGs. We expect to see continued strength in ECP excluding crude, as the recovery from the pandemic continues in this area and demand returns to more normalized levels. As a reminder, Q1 was the last quarter with tough crude by rail comps. In 2021, we moved 36,000 carloads of crude and in Q2 2020 we moved about 7,800. I expect crude volumes to continue at a similar pace into Q2 as we saw in Q1 and then to gradually improve as we move into the back half of the year. Forest products volumes were up 7% and revenues were up 8%, a record Q1 for both metrics as we continue to see strong lumber prices and significant demand for pulp and paper products. We have recently added about 125 center beams to our fleet, which will continue to drive positive trends as we move through 2021. In MMC, revenues declined 12% and volumes declined 10%, largely as a result of lower frac sand volumes driven by the reduced drilling. Excluding frac sand, volumes in MMC were positive. On the automotive front, revenues were up an impressive 32% in the quarter, while volumes were up 56%. And again, this auto area is an excellent demonstration of the power of the unique customer solutions we've been able to create for the OEMs. While manufacturers have most recently been challenged by the chip shortage, we focused with our OEMs on those vehicles with high demand which are manufactured on our lines. We expect some continued impact to production and rail loading volumes over the next few weeks. However, current customer forecasts show improvements as we move through May. I continue to expect to grow auto revenues at a strong double digit pace, and I see opportunity in the future for further utilizing our land holdings to grow in this space. So finally on the intermodal side, quarterly volumes were down 9%. On the domestic intermodal front, we had a record first quarter. March was an all time record month. And despite COVID related restrictions tightening across Canada, we see consumer demand continuing to be strong. We are pleased to announce a new long term contract with Loblaw that will expand our relationship with Canada's leading food and pharmacy provider. We are ramping up our domestic and international service into Atlantic Canada, and look to this highly competitive service offering seeing a strong growth engine for us for years to come. So while the international franchise did face some challenges with port congestion and container shortages and O&E comps, we expect this to improve as we continue to accelerate volumes with Maersk. We lapped the O&E contract. The port of St. John calls continue to ramp up and our exclusive Vancouver transload comes online here in Q3. So let me close by saying looking forward, I see strong opportunity across all of our lines of business, and I remain very confident in the underlying demand environment. My sales and marketing team remains laser focused on executing those specific marketing playbooks and delivering our pipeline of opportunities that build unique customer solutions that optimize our land assets and as Keith said, continue to generate that sustainable profitable growth. So with that, I'll turn it over to Nadeem for the financials. Nadeem Velani: Thanks, John, and good afternoon. I'm proud to present our Q1 results, which highlight a record Q1 operating ratio for CP of 58.5%. Our exceptional team of railroaders once again proved their resilience and the strength of the model, by navigating the challenging conditions in February and then producing an all time record month in March. Despite plenty of opportunities to make excuses given weather, rising fuel prices, higher stock comp accruals and the negative impact of a stronger Canadian dollar, the team delivered these record results, which is a testament to CP's execution abilities no matter what the environment. You'll note that we have adjusted a total of $36 million in transaction costs related to our pending KCS transaction, $33 million for purchased services and other and $3 million below the line in other expense. I'll speak to the adjusted results today. Overall, the adjusted operating ratio decreased 70 basis points to 58.5% driven by strong operating efficiencies, including record train lengths and train weights and a recognition of the gains from the agreement with the tollway in Chicago. Taking a closer look at a few items on the expense side. Comp and benefits expense was up 2% or $7 million versus last year. The primary driver of the increase was higher stock based compensation of $13 million, driven by a higher share price in the quarter. Fuel expense decreased $6 million or 3% primarily as a result of lower foreign exchange, partially offset by higher prices. This quarter, we achieved a record Q1 fuel efficiency as we continue to improve our operating performance and modernize our locomotives. The change in fuel prices was $37 million negative impact to operating income in the quarter. Equipment rents was down $3 million or 8% as a result of efficiency improvements year-over-year, more than offsetting increases in rent expense from automotive contract wins. Depreciation expense was $202 million, an increase of 5% as a result of a higher asset base. Finally, purchased services was $241 million, a decrease of $71 million or 23%. Again, the main driver of the decrease is the gain related to closing the tollway transaction. Moving below the line, as expected, other components of net periodic benefit recovery was up $10 million, reflecting lower interest costs related to a decrease in discount rates. Income tax expense decreased $6 million or 3%, primarily as a result of a lower effective tax rate. Rounding out the income statement, adjusted EPS grew 1% to $4.48 in the quarter. On the next slide moving to free cash, we generated strong cash flow in Q1 with cash from ops increasing by 19% or $93 million. We continue to reinvest in the railroad and are on track to meet our $1.55 billion guided CapEx spend for 2021. Given the strong volume outlook in 2021, we will benefit from our decision last year to pull forward capital when we saw softer demand resulting from the pandemic. That decision and the solid execution by our operating team and the engineering team allowed us to take advantage of the increased available track time. The efficient capital work in 2020 has the network in fantastic shape to capture the robust volume outlook John highlighted and won't need incremental capital spend. Our proposed 5:1 share split was approved by shareholders at the AGM this morning. We are taking steps to implement the stock split and expect to complete in May. The share split will encourage greater liquidity for CP's common shares and provide enhanced opportunities for ownership by a wider group of investors. Our balance sheet and liquidity remain very strong with leverage of 2.4 times adjusted net debt to adjusted EBITDA. We continue to pay down short term commercial paper with excess cash as our share buyback program remains paused, and we are committed to our target leverage range and strong investment grade credit ratings. We finished the quarter extremely strong and have brought a lot of momentum into Q2. The demand environment is set up well led by our self help story. I feel convicted in our fully realized guidance we set out in January and reiterated today. With that, I'll turn it over back to Keith to wrap things up before we get into Q&A. Keith Creel: So I think maybe I'll close with where I started. The results sort of speak for themselves. They're are undeniable. I think overall given the challenges that we faced, to the compares that we faced, I remind the market last year in 2020 a very unique story. We had, memory says, 9% growth year-over-year and against the toughest compares in a very tough environment, especially the same that all of our peers in the industry faced, for this result to be enabled by this team, I'm extremely proud of it. And with that, I think we said enough and let's open it up for some truthful discussion. Operator: Your first question comes from the line of Fadi Chamoun from BMO. Fadi Chamoun: I appreciate the time and taking the time to explain through this piece. So quick question maybe on the synergies, now that you've had kind of multiple weeks here to talk to customers, maybe understand on the ground a little bit more what this means. How do you feel about that synergy outlook? And do you feel that there is a kind of significant upside to what your initial expectations were? Keith Creel: Absolutely understated, big opportunity for these two teams together to create -- overachieve well beyond what we assumed in our deal. Fadi Chamoun: And maybe just a quick follow-up on that. Like ultimately, it feels like this may come down to who wins the heart and mind of customers at the end of the day to sway maybe in the STB's mind which way they should go. Is that how we're going to see this playing out? Keith Creel: Well, Fadi, I think that's obviously -- it's critically important. I'm not going to say it's not. Because if the customers are against you, the customers who we serve, the STB is going to listen to that, which is why I feel so good about our deal. The customer is overwhelming for us. But when it gets down to truly comparing the deals, if you're -- and I try to put myself and I've tried to along this whole process, put myself in Pat’s seat, put myself in the KCS Board of Directors seat, it comes down to doability. It comes down to, can you get the deal done? It comes down to risk that you have to embrace to realize the value for your shareholder. And the truth is that the trust, the voting trust is the trigger here. The new rules mean that CN has no choice but to have its voting trust approved by the STB and their proposal under the new public interest test, unlike CP. CN can't pass the test because ultimate regulatory approval of its deal is so complex and uncertain. That's undeniable. The STB will not want KCS to go into trust with so much uncertainty about whether it comes out as part of CN or not, and I believe the truth is with their Board or their shareholders. What it comes down to, can the deal be done, can the value be realized? And there's only one answer that truly meets that test, not two, just one. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Ken Hoexter: Keith, if we could just focus on your performance, maybe just talk about your outlook now on volumes, given the improved economy, or maybe it's for John, I guess. You had talked about upper single digit carload and RTM growth. What's changed? Are you seeing more acceleration to that given the exit in March? Maybe just talk about updated performance in that team. I don't know if you want to throw in maybe a margin outlook though in on that as well. John Brooks: I'll take that and let the others jump in here. Yes, extremely convicted high single digits, the path there is it's still directly we're marching. I was super pleased with how January got launched. Of course, February was a little bit of a struggle, but I expect to see us perform well. We're off to a good start here in April. I expect Q2 to be strong, Q3 double digits. And then as we move out to close out the year, remain convicted. The environment just about across all lines of business continues to be strong and recovering. We're watching obviously a little bit of blip with this chip shortage. But again, I've spoken to all the industry over the last couple of weeks around the opportunities, certainly with the KCS merger and certainly talked about this chip situation. And I think for the most part, most of the OEMs see some recovery in that. So I'm optimistic in that. But the grain front continues to be strong for us. We're starting to see maybe a little bit of dwindling of stocks in certain areas across Canada, but nothing that I see would really impact us here in Q2. So I remain optimistic there. As I said, the potash opportunity, Ken, is tremendous in Q2. There has been a lot of pent up demand in that space. And actually, the Canpotex forecast versus what we moved in Q1 are up about 70%. So there's a lot of opportunity on that front. And you know what, we're only going to gain momentum on the intermodal side of the business. Maerks business is ramping up, where Hapag-Lloyd is expected to see a press release here in the coming weeks around their first protocol into St. John. As I spoke about, our domestic intermodal business is really starting to ramp up into that marketplace too. So all that to say, still a lot of conviction and excitement on what 2021 holds. Nadeem Velani: Ken, just on the margin side, I mean we're extremely convicted. We talked about, in January, getting to a mid 50s type of operating ratio and we're still on pace for that despite the polar vortex and a tough February. And obviously, fuel prices have been challenges for the industry in terms of the overall operating ratio headwind that, that creates. But that's not an issue for us, we'll overcome it. Stock comp was a big headwind in Q1 as well. So again, we're not worried about headwinds. I feel more convicted that we have a path to potentially even hitting that double nickel. Keith Creel: Yes, we could see it, Ken, even through the snow, it's the sunshine of the today, it's a little bit clear. Operator: You next question comes from the line of Brian Ossenbeck from J.P. Morgan. Brian Ossenbeck: Maybe just to stick with the fundamentals for one more here. Can you just talk about the capacity and your confidence in having that capacity for growth that you're projecting here? Maybe even if demand is a bit more pent up than you think, obviously, you have some pretty big numbers in potash that John just mentioned. But maybe you can address it from both a head count perspective, how the hiring is working since you gave the December bonus? And then just from the network side, can you really keep those trains at the same length and size as volume comes back? Keith Creel: I'm not concerned about capacity. And the answer is yes when it comes to train length in train size and weight, which all leads to the productivity that drives your crew starts, that drives your crew productivity, obviously your costs. I say that I look at second quarter and what we did in the first quarter is being surpassed already. Train length has increased. Train weight has increased. Productivity on crew starts, RTMs per employee, locomotive productivity. We've got locomotives that we have prepared for an even higher level of business, given what we had assumed to be, if we go back in history, would be a different demand environment in the crude space. So we have that in our back pocket. We have capacity. Obviously, it depends on when it comes and where it comes, and we control that. We're careful -- very careful not to overcommit and under-deliver on our railroad. That's value destruction, that's not value creation. But resources are not an issue. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Allison Landry from Crédit Suisse. Allison Landry: So Keith, you suggested that at around 4 times leverage, that CN is locking up capital that could be needed for investment to capture growth and synergies. Should we interpret that as a comment as sort of unwillingness by CP to take up leverage to a similar range to come closer to the CN bid? And I guess I mean are you willing to raise your initial bid? Or is your view that you don't need to, because of the regulatory risk? Keith Creel: Well, I think you just answered the last question. When it speaks to leverage, it's 4.6 is what I was speaking to. And I just frankly don't believe that's the right value proposition for our shareholders to put our balance sheet at risk, to use all of our capacity in our powder to take our ability to respond with shocks to the market. I just don't think that's a healthy place to go to at this point. And in all honesty, I don't have to think about that because it's not a true alternative. That's a hypothetical situation. It's not a real deal as far as I'm concerned. It's kind of fantasy land. So my answer would be it's nothing that we're considering at all. Operator: Next question comes from the line of Steve Hansen from Raymond James. Steve Hansen: Yes. Keith, just detailing on your crystal clear response on the last question, in the outside scenario that shareholders go the other way, how do you feel about your growth prospects otherwise? I mean do you feel like you still got lots of growth prospects in the absence of the KSC? I mean is this a deal that you view as absolutely essential to get done? Or are you comfortable with not having it? Keith Creel: I think we've demonstrated that we can create our own unique success, our value creation story. We've done it without it. Obviously, the deal, the value that would create compared to what we could create without it, it's 2 different outcomes. I'm not going to suggest it's not. That'd be disingenuous to suggest that. But I would say that this railroad has shown its resiliency. We've got a very capable network in Canada, at least. Now when you get to the States, that the dynamic changed in a very unhealthy way in that space. Then obviously, we've got a responsibility to grow and create value and provide options for our shippers. So it would suggest perhaps we have to look at alternatives. And in all honesty, we thought about those. We've talked about those. History says we've even considered those. And if you look at them in comparison, the truth says that those potential hypothetical scenarios are less complex than the one that's being suggested by CN with KCS. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Chris Wetherbee from Citi. Chris Wetherbee: Keith, maybe I could pick up there. Can you elaborate a little bit on that in terms of potential alternatives? Obviously, there has been a discussion in the past several years ago. How is that a less complex transaction? If you could just sort of help us sort of think about that a little bit. Keith Creel: Well, it's simple math. I think about all the overlaps. And I spoke to some with the proposed CN-KCS and what that represents from pro-service and pro-competition versus the alternatives. And you can run a bunch of scenarios combining us with either the Railroads East in the Mississippi, these are all hypothetical discussions. And I'm not suggesting that it's necessary. I'm committed to this deal. And I quite frankly think that this is so unique and special and value creating, this will happen. This is going to be our reality. This is going to be our future, and it's exciting. So I haven't wasted a lot of time looking at those other alternatives. And I certainly don't think I'll get to that point where we have to. But if we did hypothetically, I think there's a case to be made and a responsibility that we'll have. Nadeem Velani: And Chris, we'd be the smallest class 1 in that scenario. Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Justin Long from Stephens. Justin Long: I wanted to ask about the synergy target you've laid out. Obviously, the commentary around that is it errs on the side of conservatism. I would guess in the last month or so as you've collected feedback from some of your customers, we can see the results that it's overwhelmingly positive. Is there anything you can share in terms of what the upside opportunity looks like on synergies? Are we talking closer to $1 billion? Just some more detail around that. And maybe where you see the opportunity that's incremental by geography or a particular commodity group? Would love some more color around that. Keith Creel: I'll let John speak to the revenue side. But I can tell you now on the cost side, we took a very conservative approach. And this isn't about cost-cutting or rationalization. This is about value creating and it's about growth. But even in a growth world, we can become and will become more productive. We're going to run more fuel-efficient longer trains. We're going to gain efficiencies on locomotive productivity. We're going to close the gap and gain efficiencies on car miles per car day. I heard mention locomotive productivity last week on their call. And just that alone, if I look and compare and I think about the unique value this creates, I look at our numbers, and this is all public information, there's a meaningful opportunity to close that's going to create locomotive capacity without capital expense. Think about it. If you do the math, 30%, what's 30% of 950 locomotives? You're talking about 300-plus locomotives of created capacity just by becoming more efficient. What's that worth? 2 million apiece. I'd say that's pretty material value. And again, that's just one instance. These things don't just happen. It takes hard work. It takes an ability to execute, which we have a track record and ability to do. And I just believe because of my experience and having lived it and having done it and having shown it with the teams that I've been blessed to work with, that that kind of value creation is substantially understated, that still allows us to grow and add jobs and create a whole lot of value for the synergies that are driven by the revenue side. So John, why don't you comment more color on the revenue synergies? John Brooks: Yes. So Justin, first and foremost I would say yes certainly, I think the synergies that we've laid out, I would characterize as conservative, achievable. But let me just be clear. I've been personally involved in working with the KCS railroad all my career, and spend a lot of time marketing sales in the tranches with those folks looking at opportunities. I have to tell you, they're conservative and achievable, but we've done that for a reason. We're also being realistic. We know the competition is going to bite back in certain areas. We're going to have to let our product develop to realize those synergies and those opportunities. But all that to say it's much more than 1 or 2 commodities. As I see these synergies, it's across all the commodities. It's not just the intermodal automotive play for CP. Certainly, we think there's a tremendous opportunity in that space that Keith spoke to earlier. There's opportunities to take trucks in the road and add that fourth competitive route North-South. There's opportunities in that auto space that will never be achievable if, in fact the CP-Kansas City Southern combination doesn't take place. The grain business, as you can imagine, I've spoken to hundreds of customers over the last month on this opportunity. And the opportunities that have uncovered themselves, I'm not going to put a number on it. Is it 200 million? Is it 500 million? It certainly could be. It's out there. The ag industry alone to grow utilizing our product, our 8,500-foot model with the KCS existing customers today, but also working on investment and opportunities on our existing network is a huge opportunity just in itself. So I feel again, the numbers we've laid out are very achievable. And I'm excited about the opportunities these customers have brought forward over the last 3 to 4 weeks. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Scott Group: So Keith, I'm sure you've had conversations with Pat or the KCS Board in the last 2 days. Do they share your view about sort of cutting night-and-day deal certainty for one deal versus another? So that's one question. And then secondly, if for whatever reason the waiver is overturned, do you still think from a voting trust perspective, it's so night and day, your offer versus theirs? And then just if you think that a CP Eastern Rail deal is achievable, why isn't that more attractive? Is it even further expands network reach? So there are a few things there. Keith Creel: I'm going to make some notes, Scott. I'm on to come back to you for some clarity on that. So let me start with the last. CP Eastern Rail, I'm not focused on that. I'm focused on the KCS. I'm focused on the unique simple, pro-competitive, pro-service, pro-customer, in the end one and only transaction in this industry that creates this unique value. Why would I think East? I'm not looking East. I'm looking to one partner, and we have an agreement. So to speak to that about -- have I spoken to Pat, of course, I've spoken to Pat. We're in a partnership where we're moving forward to pursue this unique value-creating deal that we both believe in. And until or unless their Board decides differently, once they've looked at the truth and weighed in the facts and made their decision, that's exactly what we're focused on. So there'll be no discussions on CP's part with KCS's Board about anything, other than the value we're creating uniquely for our shareholders that they uniquely get to enjoy as well as our customers as well as our employees. And that's what's unique about this. They see the value in that. We see the value, and that's been a key principle. From the very beginning when Pat and I sat down, Scott, and we talked about what this could mean, how this could be something transformational uniquely, how this could be something that checks all the boxes. It serves the customers. It serves competition. It serves the employees. It serves and enables growth that will be unparalleled. It serves commerce. Never at a time where it's needed more in a very unique way. So that's what we're so excited about. And then that gets to the point of your first question about should it be overturned? And we don't get the special consideration. I think that makes our value even more compelling. Because the reality is then it sort of boils down to the trust. Is the trust in the public's best interest? And there's only one combination, and it's the only one that's been agreed to that truly passes that test. The other could never be approved, in my assessment, in my view, based on the facts. You can think about the DOJ. The DOJ weighed in about their concern, its institutional concern about trust overall. We can debate about why it's necessary. It's part of our industry. It absolutely is necessary. There's a difference. But when you compare these 2 deals and you compare the facts, the DOJ's #1 concern in the letter that they wrote and they opine on is preserving competition while in trust. But we don't compete with the KCS. So if you get to the bottom line, the undeniable truth is that's a fact. We're end to end. There's no overlap. Now compare and contrast the truth to the other proposed combination in trust, which I would suggest because of that we'll never get the trust, it's undeniable that they compete. They absolutely compete. KCS and CN compete today, on the 65 miles they've talked about and all those other locations they haven't, they compete. So how do you protect competition if you're really concerned about it? And I would suggest the true sense the DOJ is if you allow a trust to be approved that has an anti-competitive basis to it. It's just that simple. And I think people are missing that, Scott, I really do. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Amit Mehrotra from Deutsche Bank. Amit Mehrotra: Keith, years ago you had said that the fulcrum or the driver of further consolidation in the industry, that would be the need for -- basically the need for capacity would be the driver for the consolidation. Do you think we're at the point now today in terms of this hyper-dearth of capacity? And more importantly, do you think that's a big consideration by the STB, just given how little capacity there is out there relative to demand and the improvement in that dynamic that comes from the fluidity of a point-to-point network. And just if I could tack on one more question related to that. When you look at other alternatives, and maybe you won't need to, but if you look at other alternatives, would CP need to be the majority shareholder of the resulting entity and the management team? Is that an important consideration for CP and for you? Keith Creel: My consideration when it comes to CP in any deal that I would ever consider, is it fair to our shareholders? Does it create value for our shareholders? And do we fairly share? And that was the principle in our -- obviously in our evaluation of this deal that we're talking about, this combination we're so excited about. So let's go back to my thesis in years ago. Years ago, timing -- again context matters. Years ago, I was sitting in a seat as an operating officer and initially as the CEO, both at this railway as well as that the competitor's railway. And I had to deal with Chicago. And the reality is there wasn't enough capacity in Chicago. At that point in time, whether you go back 5 years or go back 8 or 10 years, 10 years says there was only one railroad that created capacity with PSR. 5 years says there was 2. And now in today's world, we have all but one that have adopted this operating model that creates capacity and creates long-term sustainable value and creates an opportunity to, contrary to some naysayer's belief to create cash flow to invest back into infrastructure to create additional capacity in a safe rail operation. In the case study, that is our railway. So as I sit today and I look at it, I look at Chicago, there's been a lot of capacity created in Chicago. Is it infinite capacity? No. But does it delay that thesis of because we didn't have capacity, it drives consolidation? Absolutely, undeniably, yes. So I don't think that's a discussion for today. I don't think the STB needs to worry about a capacity play out of need. I think what they need to think about is competitive balance. This deal does not challenge that. This deal, you could argue, submits that this will be the gold standard of the hurdle that you would have to meet or exceed, to do a deal, number one. But it doesn't create imbalance because again, it goes to the fundamentals of this. We've got the 2 smallest railroads combining, that would still be the smallest railroad. How is that a threat other than a threat of competition to any of the compares? Let them answer that question. The answer is it's not. Unlike this proposal with it undeniably would be, it would make the third largest railway. And you can minimize track miles. We're talking about routes, we're talking about networks. Yes, perhaps mileage is isolated to the U.S., but this isn't a U.S. discussion. This is a USMCA discussion. This is a 3-country North American commerce absolute truthful discussion. You can't diminish the connectivity of that and the importance of that and just focus on one a little isolated piece. That's not truthful. So again, I think if I were in the STB's shoes and I'm looking at facts and true -- I believe that to be true, they will. Those facts are going to matter. And they're going to care today and they're going to carry the argument because it's true. Amit Mehrotra: Yes. And there's a lot of talk about the Eastern rails as alternatives, but we very rarely talk about the Western rails. And there's one in particular that has very good penetration into Mexico. Are those alternatives in terms of -- as you think about the possibility of a CN-KSC merger, kind of a competitive kind of dynamic being further penetration in Mexico to one of the West Coast rails? Keith Creel: Yes. It's not a possibility, if it's not one that I would ever consider. So that's just a hypothetical question. It'd be a hypothetic answer and probably not everybody's interest to comment on it. I apologize. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Jason Seidl from Cowen. Jason Seidl: Nice job in the quarter, but I'm going to focus, obviously on the transaction that's on everybody's mind. Keith, you seem very certain that there's a lot more overlap in the transaction where your Canadian counterparts up there said there was only sort of, I believe, 5 customers and 9 plants on 65 miles of track. Can you give us some numbers behind, shortly just how many shippers you believe are at risk in this potential transaction, if CN-KCS were to come to play? Keith Creel: You know what I -- John, you can probably look at it. Like I said earlier, I didn't just make up that 100 number. There's over 100 combinations of a CP-CN today that would be impacted by that. But let me go back to some real facts and think of the reality. The reality is I used to be a train master in Memphis, Tennessee on the Illinois Central Railroad, back in 1996, I don't know, that was -- it's been a while ago, 25 years ago. And then I went from Memphis, Tennessee on the IC to Jackson, Mississippi as I said earlier. And my territory covered down to Mobile. So I know the lines to Mobile. I understand that in Hattiesburg, Mississippi going down to the coast in Mississippi, the KCS could operate then and can operate now down to serve that Gulf port. I also know that today, the KCS’s rides on an opportunity to operate customers' business, say from Kansas City down to Mobile. I know tomorrow if this deal were to be approved or suggested that, that would exist. Go to New Orleans, I spent a lot of time on that railroad, South of Jackson going down to New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Destrehan. I know the sidings. I know the towns. I know the business. To suggest it's isolated to 5 customers that are dual served today, that would be single line served tomorrow, in the Baton Rouge very early again, ignores New Orleans, ignores the competitive options, ignores the disadvantages, the pain to the customers. It's just the reality. I don't even have to get into the number crunching, which will be done and those will show the facts to be true. I know it because I lived it. I understand it. I lived there. I worked there. I worked for those people. I understand the KCS in that space. I understand the IC in that space I would suggest as well, if not better, than many people in this industry. Jason Seidl: Keith, I appreciate that color. And so I guess based on your comments, you would be surprised if there wasn't a bunch of shipper pushback to this potential combination. Keith Creel: I -- surprised will be an understatement. Jason Seidl: Okay, fair enough. Appreciate the time. Keith Creel: I think time will show you very quickly how many people might be opposed to this. Operator: The next question comes from the line of Brandon Oglenski from Barclays. Brandon Oglenski: So Keith, I guess I want to follow up on that. The interchanges that you talked about, because the physical overlap is rather short, I'm not trying to spar with you here in any way. But you did say there's a lot of instances in the Midwest where you'd go from maybe 3 options to 2. And the CP option was ultimately leveraging KCS to get down South. Is there an ability when another -- let's say that you got the deals did go through, what's their ability then to block those interchanges? Is that a real concern for shippers in the market? Keith Creel: To block the interchanges? There's a difference between blocking an interchange and being a friendly interchange. So I would suggest it wouldn't be as friendly as it is today. I can't imagine a world where today we operate. We actually colocate, and I think we've spoken to this. I was -- had the honor of partnering with Pat last week. It actually went to our joint agency in Kansas City and met with their employees. We did a town hall. I can't imagine a world where our trains, our crews would come into our primary competitor, which eliminated our friendly partnership into the yard in Kansas City, and that being good for any customer or we -- red carpet is not going to be rolled out, and we're not going to be formally received either in rate offerings in combination or in reality. Just not just not a realistic possibility. So if you go to that game way today, I would suggest you will be impacted. John Brooks: Brandon, I'll add to Keith's comments. Just think of it in terms of a propane shipper coming out of Edmonton. And frankly, we do a lot of our business out of that region down over Kansas City to connections with the KCS to get into Mexico. There's a -- where tomorrow, CN would have a direct route, I certainly -- if I'm one of those shippers up there, I get -- I would be very concerned about loss of a gateway or loss of an opportunity versus the -- having the opportunity to compete on a single line haul that the CP-KC route would provide those shippers. Keith Creel: That competition word is important. That's not an aspirational goal of us. That's a desire, to be able to create competitive alternatives for our customers so that they can reach new markets and then they can grow. And they can compete in that market space they reach. We welcome competition at this railway. We think it's healthy. We think it makes us better. We think it makes being better. We think it makes us better to make CN better. It makes the industry better. It makes us stronger. Competition is good. Why be afraid of it? Step into it. Don't try to eliminate it. Don't try to snuff it out. Don't try to buy and make it go away. Or don't try to damage someone that's trying to create it just because you think you can. I just don't agree with that fundamentally or principally. And I don't think our customers will either. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Benoit Poirier from Desjardins Capital Markets. Benoit Poirier: Could you talk a little bit about the pricing, a little bit about the pricing, whether it has strengthened given the tight capacity? And how we should be thinking about the yield to evolve in the coming quarter in light of the business mix, fuel and FX? John Brooks: Sure, Benoit. I'll take that. It's John here. So you know what, I saw good momentum in Q4 in terms of our renewal pricing. I can tell you that, that accelerated. So when I say 3%-plus-type numbers into Q1. And I don't see that changing as frankly I think that continues to accelerate to those upper end of those ranges that we have talked about. As you think about fuel and FX or yield as a whole, I think we continue to sort of see improvement and begin to sort of lap some of those headwinds as we move through the year. On the mix front, ultimately I see that improving a little bit too, and probably kind of coming back into more of that flat range. And I'll even speak to sort of the liquidated damages. And that, I think that sort of moderates itself through the year. So overall, I see the sense for RTM gaining some momentum as we move through the back half of the year. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of David Vernon from Bernstein. David Vernon: So Keith, I just want to ask a process question. Is this alternative offer being either reviewed or not depending on what the case your Board is going to do? What's your expectation for the STB in terms of moving forward with its determination on whether or not there's going to be a waiver grant, whether it's going to be -- the transaction is going to be under -- evaluated under the waiver rules or -- and separately, do you expect them to come out and say anything about your proposed voting trust structure while this other deal's out there? I'm just trying to get a sense for kind of what you're hearing from your lawyers around this, the STB sort of work in process while this competing bid is out there? Keith Creel: I think your words best describe it. It's work in process. And I think it would be ill advised on my part to predict what the STB may or may not do. I think our facts are very compelling. The case is there. I believe that the facts matter. I believe that in 2001 when that carve-out was created, it was facts specific. And our combination supports the facts that enabled that carve-out. That's what I believe to be true. And ultimately I know the truth is the STB will make that final decision. And we believe in the facts, and we're going to continue to work with them. Their -- CN's proposal has no bearing in my mind on our facts. It’s 2 different stories, 2 different set of facts. And I think that matters. David Vernon: If I could just kind of stick a follow-up on there. Some of the facts that maybe are not on that table right now would be some of the things that Canadian National could propose to maybe address some of these competitive concerns. Is your position that those just complicate it and make it harder to do? Or is that maybe those remedies that you would traditionally look to in a situation like this would not be effective? Like how do you think about sort of prejudging the deal without looking at the potential for remedies for some of these issues that you're pointing into? Keith Creel: I'm focused on the facts of our deal. There's no overlap. It's simple. It's end to end. It's all positive on service. It's all positive on new competitive opportunities. There's no negatives. There's no 3 to 2. There's no 4 to 3. There's no 2 to 1. Zero, zero is a pretty powerful number. It's pretty undeniable numbers. So based on those facts, that's what I judge my view on. In comparison, and again I'm not even going to comment anymore. I've told you what the truth is relative to the way I assess that other deal and the complexity that it represents. And those facts are undeniable. And ultimately, it's the STB's job. And they're very capable of assessing the true facts in making their determination. And I just have faith in that process and I have faith in their professional capacity and their abilities. They're a talented group of folks. Operator: Your next question comes from Tom Wadewitz from UBS. Tom Wadewitz: Keith, you've obviously given us a pretty compelling framework for why you think the regulatory approval is stronger for CP-KSU. But I think if you look at it and say, the first hurdle is for KSU's Board and shareholders to choose which deal. And I've heard that both sides seem to believe a voting trust would be approved. So it seems to me like with that logic, I guess I'm struggling with why KSU shareholders wouldn't choose simply the highest price? Because all they need is to get a voting trust approval and then they get their money. So I don't know if you disagree with that logic. But if that's the case, if that's reasonable, why wouldn't you raise the bid? Or would you raise the bid and just do it with shares instead of taking out balance sheet leverage? Keith Creel: Well, all those latter questions, Tom, we never get to that because it all stops with deal certainty and with trust approval certainty. Our deal represents something that's achievable. There's certainty based on the fact that the STB will ultimately opine on or not in our trust being established. That supports our deal. That supports our ability to get the trust approved, to get to the value, which is the next concern that their Board of Directors, their fiduciary concern would be. Now if I look at and I put myself in their shoes, and I'm looking at an inferior deal that represents uncertainty, I don't care how much value you might suggest to me, that's on the other side of the fence. If I can't get to it, I don't get to realize it. I don't know any other clearer way to articulate that. It's a fantasy. Unless you believe that based on the facts that they wouldn't meet the public interest test, when its opine on and ruled on and view based on facts by the STB, you can't believe the value. And I just don't believe it. The facts don't support it. So the facts and truth matter. It's not achievable. So you never get to the value. So we're at zero. Tom Wadewitz: Okay. So your point is not so much that the merger can't be approved with CN, but you think you can't even approve a voting trust. And that, I guess that's your point. Keith Creel: Yes, you don't get to the substantive review of the merger and to get beyond the trust. And the trust is when the KCS shareholder would realize their consideration. That consideration is not realizable if you don't get the trust approved. Tom Wadewitz: Right, okay. And what you commented on an earlier question about raising leverage, is it just to make sure I understand your response. Are you saying you're not considering raising the bid? Or are you just concerned about raising the cash portion? Keith Creel: We're not considering changing anything with our bid. We're focused on getting our deal, which represents great value for the CP shareholder, the KCS shareholder. We've agreed to this. We have an agreement. That's what we have put forward in front of the STB based on the value it creates, and that's what we're focused on. There's no need to discuss raising leverage. There's no need to discuss paying more money. It stands alone on its own merits. There's nothing to compare it to. So why even have those discussions? Not going to. Unless the KCS board gets to a point and they decide differently. They haven't. So I'm not even going there. There's no need to. And based on the facts, I don't believe they will. I think the decision is pretty obvious. The conclusions are obvious. I don't have a clear way to draw the scenarios out. Tom Wadewitz: Okay. But if the Board came back, you could consider a different approach, it sounds like. Keith Creel: I'm just not going to comment on a hypothetical. Just can't. I'm not going to give it any energy. Just not going to do it. I'm focused on the value of this unique deal that we've agreed to, creates. And I would suggest that's what matters. That's the truth. Operator: We're now out of time. I turn the call back over to Mr. Keith Creel. Keith Creel: Okay, well again, thank you for joining us today. I hope that our fact-based truthful discussion has helped clear some of the air. I think that's our responsibility. I certainly feel that responsibility in this industry to speak the truth, both to the strengths of our deal and what the value it uniquely creates, as well as the risks that are associated with alternatives that are being suggested. We look forward to the second quarter results. This company has started strong in spite of some opposition. The second month of the year, February was a challenging year, but the outlook looks good. We still see opportunity for margin improvement single digit, double digit as we progress into the year, RTM growth finishing well within what we've guided to at the end of the year, which is going to be a result our shareholders will be rewarded for and I think the market will respect, again, based on our track record. So we look forward to seeing everyone soon. Stay well. Operator: This concludes today's conference call. 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Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC) Announces First-Quarter 2024 Earnings Results Date
Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC), known by its trading symbols TSX: CP and NYSE: CP, has made headlines with its announcement regarding the first-quarter 2024 earnings results. Scheduled for April 24, 2024, this event is eagerly anticipated by investors and analysts alike, given the company's significant role in the North American transportation sector. CPKC, with its unique position as the only single-line railway connecting Canada, the United States, and México, has a substantial impact on freight transportation across the continent. The company's upcoming financial and operating results will provide valuable insights into its performance and strategic direction.
The financial community is particularly interested in CPKC's performance, especially in light of its recent quarterly report. The company reported impressive figures, with revenue reaching approximately $3.78 billion and net income standing at around $1.02 billion. Such strong financial metrics, including a gross profit of nearly $1.99 billion and an operating income of about $1.44 billion, underscore CPKC's robust operational efficiency and profitability. The earnings per share (EPS) of $1.1 further highlight the company's ability to generate value for its shareholders.
CPKC's commitment to growth and customer service is evident in its extensive rail network, which spans approximately 20,000 route miles and employs around 20,000 railroaders. This expansive network, coupled with the company's comprehensive range of freight transportation services, logistics solutions, and supply chain expertise, positions CPKC as a key player in the North American transportation industry. The upcoming earnings call and webcast will likely shed more light on how CPKC plans to leverage its unique assets and capabilities to drive future growth.
Investors and analysts looking to participate in the conference call on April 24, 2024, have been provided with access numbers for both Canada and the U.S. (800-225-9448) and international callers (203-518-9708), ensuring that a wide audience can engage with CPKC's executive team. The availability of a webcast and presentation material on CPKC's website, along with the option to replay the conference call until May 1, 2024, demonstrates the company's commitment to transparency and accessibility.
Given CPKC's recent financial achievements, including an EBITDA of roughly $1.99 billion and a cost of revenue at approximately $1.78 billion, stakeholders are keenly awaiting the first-quarter 2024 earnings results. These results will not only provide a snapshot of the company's current financial health but also offer clues about its future trajectory in the competitive landscape of North American rail transportation.
CPKC Sets First-Quarter 2024 Earnings Results Date - April 24, 2024
Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC) Announces First-Quarter 2024 Earnings Results Date
Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC), known by its trading symbols TSX: CP and NYSE: CP, has made headlines with its announcement regarding the first-quarter 2024 earnings results. Scheduled for April 24, 2024, this event is eagerly anticipated by investors and analysts alike, given the company's significant role in the North American transportation sector. CPKC, with its unique position as the only single-line railway connecting Canada, the United States, and México, has a substantial impact on freight transportation across the continent. The company's upcoming financial and operating results will provide valuable insights into its performance and strategic direction.
The financial community is particularly interested in CPKC's performance, especially in light of its recent quarterly report. The company reported impressive figures, with revenue reaching approximately $3.78 billion and net income standing at around $1.02 billion. Such strong financial metrics, including a gross profit of nearly $1.99 billion and an operating income of about $1.44 billion, underscore CPKC's robust operational efficiency and profitability. The earnings per share (EPS) of $1.1 further highlight the company's ability to generate value for its shareholders.
CPKC's commitment to growth and customer service is evident in its extensive rail network, which spans approximately 20,000 route miles and employs around 20,000 railroaders. This expansive network, coupled with the company's comprehensive range of freight transportation services, logistics solutions, and supply chain expertise, positions CPKC as a key player in the North American transportation industry. The upcoming earnings call and webcast will likely shed more light on how CPKC plans to leverage its unique assets and capabilities to drive future growth.
Investors and analysts looking to participate in the conference call on April 24, 2024, have been provided with access numbers for both Canada and the U.S. (800-225-9448) and international callers (203-518-9708), ensuring that a wide audience can engage with CPKC's executive team. The availability of a webcast and presentation material on CPKC's website, along with the option to replay the conference call until May 1, 2024, demonstrates the company's commitment to transparency and accessibility.
Given CPKC's recent financial achievements, including an EBITDA of roughly $1.99 billion and a cost of revenue at approximately $1.78 billion, stakeholders are keenly awaiting the first-quarter 2024 earnings results. These results will not only provide a snapshot of the company's current financial health but also offer clues about its future trajectory in the competitive landscape of North American rail transportation.
Canadian Pacific Railway Limited Downgraded at Deutsche Bank
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The analysts believe the near-term risks associated with higher debt and equity and optimistic EPS expectations have the potential to more than offset the long-term benefits of the KSU acquisition over the course of 2022.
Canadian Pacific Railway Limited Downgraded at Deutsche Bank
Analysts at Deutsche Bank downgraded Canadian Pacific Railway Limited (NYSE:CP) to hold from buy predominantly to reflect the significant additional debt (the company is in the process of raising over C$10 billion in new debt) and new equity (the company will issue 262 new shares to pay for its KSU acquisition), as well as a bit too optimistic 2023 EPS expectations.
The analysts believe the near-term risks associated with higher debt and equity and optimistic EPS expectations have the potential to more than offset the long-term benefits of the KSU acquisition over the course of 2022.
