Celestica Inc. (CLS) on Q1 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Celestica Q1, 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. And as a reminder today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Craig Oberg, Vice President of Investor Relations and Development. Please, go ahead. Craig Oberg: Rob Mionis: Thank you, Craig. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's conference call. Celestica is off to a strong start in 2021, delivering solid first quarter results. Revenue and adjusted EPS were both above the midpoint of our guidance ranges. And I am pleased that our non-IFRS operating margin is up 60 basis points on a year-over-year basis, reflecting the strength of our strategy and strong execution. Our portfolio transformation initiatives continue to yield results, and our core business is growing. Although revenue decreased 6% in Q1, 2021 compared to Q1, 2020, the decrease was largely driven by a disengagement from Cisco whose revenue accounted for 13% of our total Q1, 2020 revenue. The revenue of the company's non-Cisco business grew 7% year-over-year. Furthermore, we executed the transition seamlessly and we were able to meet our revenue and mix backfill objectives. Within our ATS segment, we experienced slightly better than expected revenue results due to strong growth in health tech and capital equipment. We also reported our fourth consecutive quarter of sequential margin expansion, and continue to target being back in our 5% to 6% target margin range by the end of the year. Within CCS, after having successfully concluded our Cisco disengagement in the fourth quarter of 2020, we are focused on growth. Our CCS revenue in the first quarter was down on a year-over-year basis, primarily because of the Cisco disengagement, our remaining CCS portfolio grew by 16% year-over-year. The CCS segment continues to perform well, with our year-over-year improvement in segment margin for the fifth consecutive quarter, and once again operating above our 2% to 3% target range. Our Hardware Platform Solutions or HPS business, previously referred to as our JDM business remains an engine for growth within our CCS segment. HPS generated $200 million of revenue in the first quarter, a 46% increase on a year-to-year basis. We continue to expect our HPS business to be a catalyst for both CCS revenue growth and segment margin strength. Last quarter, we also highlighted that we refer to revenue from our HPS business and ATS segment as Lifecycle Solutions. It is our view that the businesses which compromise our Lifecycle Solutions portfolio share several key characteristics, that reflect the focus of our commercial strategy. We consider our Lifecycle Solutions revenue to be diversified revenue, and our strategy continues to be to expand this portfolio as a percent of the total company, enabling long-term profitable growth. Mandeep Chawla: Thank you, Rob, and good morning, everyone. First quarter 2021 revenue came in at $1.23 billion, slightly above the midpoint of our guidance range. Revenue decreased 6% year-over-year and 11%, sequentially. Despite Q1 traditionally being a seasonally soft quarter from a volume perspective, we delivered non-IFRS operating margin of 3.5%, exceeding the midpoint of our guidance range by 10 basis points, reflecting the benefits of our portfolio reshaping activities and improved mix across several businesses. Year-over-year non-IFRS operating margin improved by 60 basis points, driven by a significant improvement in our ATS end market. Sequentially, non-IFRS operating margin declined by 10 basis points driven by lower volumes in CCS. This was partially offset by higher sequential ATS segment margin driven by higher volumes and favorable mix. Non-IFRS adjusted earnings per share were $0.22, $0.01 above our guidance midpoint and an improvement of $0.06 year-over-year, while down $0.04 sequentially. First quarter IFRS earnings per share were $0.08, up $0.10 year-over-year and down $0.08 sequentially. Our ATS segment accounted for 43% of our consolidated revenue during the quarter. Our highest level of ATS concentration reported to date and up from 41% in the first quarter of last year. ATS revenue was down 3% compared to last year, ahead of our expectations of a mid-single digit percentage year-over-year decline. Sequentially, ATS revenue was up 4%. The year-over-year revenue decline in ATS was driven by weakness in commercial aerospace and industrial, partially due to COVID-19, largely offset by new program ramps in health tech and very strong demand growth in capital equipment. Sequential growth was driven by strength in capital equipment and health tech, offsetting moderate headwinds in A&D and industrial. Our CCS segment revenue was down 9% year-over-year, largely driven by the Cisco disengagement and partly offset by strong demand from service provider customers including in our HPS business. Sequentially, CCS revenue was down 19% driven by seasonality in our enterprise business, as well as the Cisco disengagement. With the Cisco disengagement behind us, we are pleased with the growth in the remainder of our core CCS portfolio, whose revenue increased 16% year-over-year. Rob Mionis: Thank you, Mandeep. We are pleased with our company's continuing execution of our strategy, which reflects our team's work ethic and ability to navigate the unique challenges presented by the current business environment. We are off to a strong start with our first quarter results, which we believe position us for a successful 2021. We continue to navigate several challenges in the context of the current macro environment. The pipe constraints continue to impact most of our end markets, resulting in extended lead times for components. In the first quarter, due to our advanced planning and proactive approach to securing necessary components and materials, we were able to limit the impact on our revenues to $12 million. While we have accounted for our best estimate of the potential impacts of component shortages in our second quarter outlook, we are seeing further tightening of supply chains and market conditions are becoming more challenging. We continue to monitor the situation and are working closely with our suppliers and customers to mitigate the impact on our business. We expect these conditions will persist for the remainder of 2021. Despite the challenges from COVID-19, we continue to operate at normal capacity levels across our network. We are seeing the number of COVID-19 cases rise again in certain regions, while many parts of the globe in the midst of a third wave. While some jurisdictions such as Canada and Western Europe are responding with additional restrictions, other jurisdictions are easing their restrictions. Our global operations team continues to work diligently to implement the required health and safety protocols, and the health and well-being of our employees and business partners remains our highest priority, as we navigate through these dynamic times. Now turning to our segments, in ATS, we are very encouraged by the resiliency of our diversified businesses and we reiterate that we are targeting 10% revenue growth in 2021 compared to 2020. We also remain focused on reentering our target segment margin range of 5% to 6% by the end of the year, despite the continued weakness in commercial aerospace. Our capital equipment business continues to exhibit very strong growth, primarily led by new wins and market share gains from a semi-cap customers. The demand backdrop in the semiconductor space remains quite strong supported by secular tailwinds. We expect our capital equipment business to remain robust in the second quarter and for the remainder of 2021. In our display business, as noted in our comments last quarter, we continue to anticipate growth toward the end of the year and into 2022. In industrial, demand has largely stabilized on a sequential basis. With the worst of the impact of COVID-19 on our industrial business now behind us, we expect to return to year-over-year revenue growth in the second quarter. In A&D, headwinds in the commercial aerospace market continue to pressure our results as operators have meaningful held back expenditures in this face of lower levels of commercial air traffic. We have taken the actions we believe to be necessary to adjust our cost structure to align with the slower level of demand. Looking ahead, while we expect the commercial aerospace market to remain depressed throughout 2021, we are anticipating higher revenue in the second-half of the year compared to the first-half as new program wins ramp. In our health tech business, we continue to see strong growth both year-to-year and sequentially, supported by the ramping of a number of new program wins. We anticipate this trend to continue throughout 2021. Now, turning to CCS. Having successfully completed the Cisco disengagement in Q4 of 2020, we continue to see the benefits of our portfolio reshaping initiatives, which have resulted in improved mix and higher year-over-year non-IFRS operating margin, despite operating on a lower base of revenue. Our CCS segment margin once again surpassed our target range of 2% to 3%, and we expect full year margins to be at the high end of the range or slightly higher. As noted, while revenues are lower on a year-to-year basis as a result of the Cisco disengagement, our non-Cisco CCS business grew 16% in the first quarter compared to the prior period. We anticipate further growth for our non-Cisco CCS portfolio in '21 compared to 2020. Our hardware platform solutions business demonstrated another excellent quarter, with year-over-year growth of 46% in the first quarter, on the back of strong demand from service providers in our communications end-market. This growth helps to offset some of the impact from our Cisco disengagement. HPS represented 16% of our total business in the first quarter, up from 15% last quarter, and 10% a year ago. Based on the orders we have received from our customers to date, we currently expect HPS to grow in the double-digit percentage range in 2021, higher than the high single-digit percentage growth range we indicated in January. In the communications end market, we expect demand to remain robust in our core portfolio of business in 2021, supported by the recent strength and demand from service providers. On a year-over-year basis, however, revenue growth will be pressured by the Cisco disengagement. In our enterprise end market, demand has been relatively soft in recent quarters, and we expect these conditions to persist for the near to medium term. As previously discussed, our HPS revenue and ATS segment revenue together represent what we call Lifecycle Solutions. In the first quarter, our Lifecycle Solutions portfolio grew 7% year-to-year and grew 1% sequentially. In Q1, 2021, our Lifecycle Solutions revenue accounted for 59% of total revenues, up from 52% in Q4 of 2020. We continue to expect Lifecycle Solutions to account for a growing portion of our total consolidated revenues, and act as a driver of non-IFRS operating margin improvement. Currently, we also expect our Lifecycle Solutions portfolio to grow in the double-digit percentage range in 2021, compared to a high single-digit percentage range outlook in January. With 2021 off to a strong start, we remain as focused as ever on executing our strategy which is diversifying our end-markets, delivering higher value solutions to our customers, expanding our Lifecycle Solutions capabilities, and flawlessly performing for our customers. We believe this strategy will lead to sustainable revenue growth and expanding operating margins over the long-term. I'd like to thank our employees for their incredible efforts and dedication to the company. Our global team's commitment, resiliency, and adaptability during these challenging times is commendable. Our people are the key driver to our success and their performance instills on us great confidence that we will continue to deliver strong results and execute on our plan for the remainder of the year and beyond. We look forward to updating you on our progress over the coming quarters. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to the operator to begin our Q&A. Operator: Thank you, Rob. Your first question comes from the line of Robert Young with Canaccord. Robert Young: Hi, good morning. I'd like to start in the semi-conductor space. I'm just wondering if you think about that business, the puts and takes around all of the chip shortage news that we're hearing today. I assume that that's more of a positive driver for your business given the potential for capacity expansion, the semi-capital equipment business relative to any shortages that chips might have driving your business. And maybe some commentary would be helpful. Rob Mionis: Hi, Rob. Yes, that's correct. As you've been reading, the semiconductor -- semi-cap space has been quite strong for us and for the entire industry. We're expecting this year year-over-year growth and also sequential growth, and we also feel that will grow faster than the market this year because of the new vertical investments that we've been making in semi-cap space. With respect to the inverse of that, the takes, if you will, on the shortage side, I think, we managed very well in Q1, as we highlighted in the script, revenue that was gated by material shots was $12 million which was frankly, fairly low; we got ahead of it. We do think that's going to increase as time moves forward, but it's more about tempering the upside then constraining the output. So the net, I think, it's a positive for us and we're looking forward to a very strong capital equipment this year, and probably likely into next year and beyond based on the forecast that our customers are giving us. Robert Young: Okay. That's great color. The HPS growth that you saw, I'm curious about the broader drivers. Do you see a bump in demand like that within the HPS segments? What's driving that exactly? Is that engineering work that's converting into a bigger manufacturing ramp? Or is that just an expansion of the demand in the products that you -- it seems to me that like a quick jump in demand there would be less likely than other parts of the business, but help me with that. Rob Mionis: Yes, good question. And what we've seen in the HPS business, it's been a very robust and growing market and it's been really fuel for us by a broader adoption of our product set, both within the data center and across the larger set of customers. So, frankly, we are gaining market share. We do business with eight of the 10 service providers and then growing share with them and hyperscale a growth as a percent of total IT spend has been increasing. As a result of that we've been growing, not just with the market, but also faster than the market, because our products being used again by a broader set of customers, and within the data center and finding new uses for our products based on the offering that we have. And then lastly, operations team is just doing a phenomenal job being able to meet higher levels of output, based on the relationships we have with ecosystem partners and silicon providers as well. Robert Young: Okay, great. And then, as that Cisco revenue -- now as you're replacing it, is that the HPS business that you're using to backfill the capacity from Cisco? And then I'll pass it on. Rob Mionis: Yes, exactly. And I'd say largely so, regarding Cisco transition, frankly we couldn't have planned it any better. As I mentioned in the call, we've met all our backfill targets with a richer mix of programs, AKA hardware platform solutions. And frankly, it's a lot more aligned to our strategy and capabilities. And on top of that, we've had strong demand from our base business. And when we look at the utilization in Thailand, where the Cisco business has performed, it's quite strong and it’s driven by a solid mix of HPS products. Robert Young: Okay. Thanks for taking the questions. Rob Mionis: Thanks, Rob. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Thanos Moschopoulos with BMO Capital Markets. Thanos Moschopoulos: Hi, good morning. Rob, with respect to the component shortages, is that impacting some segments more than others, or is it just fairly across the board? Rob Mionis: It's impacting the segments that have higher growth rates, Thanos. So the segments that have higher growth rates, our NHP segment, capital equipment segment, a little bit industrial, those are the segments that are impacting more. But again, I would count it as it kind of tempering the upside versus constraining the base demand. It's a very strong demand environment in these segments and customers are trying to accelerate their demand and it's being faced by some of the component shortages. Now that being said, frankly, we're all over it. We have good order coverage with our suppliers and the teams are working very hard. Mandeep Chawla: Thanos, maybe I'll expand on what Rob was mentioning, because of the advanced planning that the team has done, we have been able to largely get ahead of the material constraints, when Rob was talking about tempering the upside. The challenge right now is drop-in orders and when customers want to secure product within the quarter, there's just not enough time to secure the material. So we factored it into our guidance. But it's really tempering in the additional upside. Thanos Moschopoulos: Okay. And then, you mentioned that the cash cycle days should improve, which is an interesting dynamic given the shortages, is that a function of your end-market mix or what's driving the dynamic? Mandeep Chawla: Yes, so cash cycle days, the metric itself is just abnormally high in the first quarter. What we're seeing is a function of the formula, it's a two-point average. And we have a lower level of revenue. And then, just with Cisco coming out, as well. But I can go through the year and the metric is going to get back more in line with what you would have historically expected from us. But, even with the inventory growth that we have been seeing, or frankly, the reduction that we have not yet seen, it is all factored into our outlook in which are comfortable saying we'll be able to generate over $100 million of cash, even with the current budget environment. Thanos Moschopoulos: Great. And then finally, some comments on the semi-equipment margins and how they're tracking currently versus what you consider going to be your target margin for that? Mandeep Chawla: Yes, what I'd say is that the semiconductor business itself is performing very well right now. So it is in line with our expectations and we believe that it continues to be stronger demand in the semiconductor space that there is an opportunity still for some trigger margin expansions. On the display side of the business, as we commented, we're expecting demand start picking up toward the end of the year. And so, there is an opportunity for margins to improve in that business, and so, overall, what I would say is that capital equipment continues to grow. We do still believe that there is some opportunity for further margin expansion. Thanos Moschopoulos: Great. Thanks. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ruplu Bhattacharya with Bank of America. Ruplu Bhattacharya: Hi, thanks for taking the question. Rob, the communications revenues came in better than expected. I think you had guided a decline as high single digits, but it was down only 2%. So can you just go into the different end-markets within communications which outperformed your expectations? And then, on the enterprise side, I think the revenue came in a little bit lower than what you had guided, but also you're guiding down 30% year-on-year. So if you can just kind of highlight some of the things going on in the enterprise side, as well. Rob Mionis: Sure, Ruplu. So, on the comm side, the strength that we're seeing is really in our networking business. We also saw some demand strength with existing programs which is a mix of HPS and EMS, but broadly speaking, the communications upside was driven by HPS are going to be offset by the Cisco-end driven demand dynamics that our non-Cisco revenue was really driven by networking and our HPS business. On the enterprise side, what we see is broad demand, market softness in HDD and compute, and tougher comps. And we've had a number of ramping programs in 2020, where demand has normalized this year. Operator, there's some noise in the background, maybe you could figure out if somebody needs to go on mute. Ruplu Bhattacharya: Okay. Thanks for the details on that, Rob. And just to drill a little bit into the component shortages, which components are you seeing shortages on specifically? And the inventory end up $60 million sequentially, are you using the strength of your balance sheet to keep some of the raw materials on hand? And do you expect inventory to be up sequentially in the June quarter? Rob Mionis: I'll take the first part, and I'll pass the second part to Mandeep. So in terms of the shorts, right now, it's largely in the semiconductor side, semiconductor lead times by our measure have increased by 50% over the last six months, which is frankly outstanding. The wafer fabs are operating at max capacity, while a negative on our shortages a very strong positive on a semicap business. But on the positive side, lead times have also starting to conclude, it's been about a 20% increase in lead times in the past over the last six months. And I do believe they will get more constrained as time moves on, tantalum capacitors, MLCCs, resistors, so I do think that will get more constrained, as we get further into the year as well. And over to Mandeep on the inventory. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Paul Steep with Scotia Capital. Rob Mionis: One second, I think Mandeep was on mute. Mandeep Chawla: Yeah. Paul, let me take your question. I think we just need to wrap up your question on inventory. The inventory dollars are relatively flat on a year-over-year basis. Two dynamics happening, number one is, we are building inventory for HPS because of the continuing growth that we're seeing, we are expecting HPS to grow sequentially as we go through the year. The other thing as well, is that because of the supply chain environment, we were able to work very closely with our customers to secure material lined up to the orders. And one of the things you'll see is our deposits also increased quite a bit, so they're paying for some of that. In terms of performance as we go through the year, the turns are expected to improve and so, Q1 is expected to be the low point when it comes to inventory. Paul, I'll turn it over to you for questions. Paul Steep: Thanks, Mandeep. Just a couple of quick ones. First one, maybe for Rob and a little bit higher level here if you step back and maybe walk us through, can you highlight out either in ATS or CCS with the new programs you've been winning sort of consistently in some of the segments over the last year, year and a half. What's changed with customers, is there anything meaningfully changing in terms of either your approach to the market in terms of the profitability profile, or in terms of how customers are contracting and committing if want to look at? Rob Mionis: Good question. On our ATS side, we've been investing in engineering capabilities across all our segments and a big change in the margin profile of our ATS business today and also moving forward is the dramatic increase in what we call engineering led engagements. So we're not just sitting enough provider in our ATS segment were actually and engineering partner as well. So it's been continuing shift in our strategy and in our contracting processes. And similarly on the CCSI, we call that HPS that's nothing new if you will. We've always had a strong HPS business in based on the products that we've designed and some secular tailwinds that we've been seeing, frankly just it off and largely fueled by engineering capability and the solutions that we're providing to our customers. Hopefully that addressed your question. Paul Steep: Great. And then maybe the second one for Mandeep, the classic capital deployment question just to check. I think last quarter you were very specific about the tangible book value with how you approaching the buyback. Any change in view on how you're sort of looking at capital deployment, now that you've got net cash positive. And then I got one very fast clean up. Thanks. Mandeep Chawla: Yeah, of course. So we're continuing to be opportunistic we're really pleased with the strength of the balance sheet as we continue to generate free cash flow. Our priority will be to continue to delever again, we paid down $30 million this past quarter, and we have an opportunity to pay down more as we go through the year. And it really serves us in two ways. One is we are very focused on EPS expansion year-over-year and so that is helping lower interest expense, and then it just continues to give us a healthier and healthier balance sheet which gives us a high level of flexibility to act where we need to act. When it comes to share buybacks, we will continue to be opportunistic on it when the shares are trading at very low values, we will be in the market to buy however, we aren't showing that first priority, until we watch it we will utilize the program whenever we need to, but our first priority right now is to be, continue to look at delever. Paul Steep: Got it. Last cleanup question for either of you. Just put the lifecycle guidance going from double-digit versus single digit last quarter. What's the underlying assumption that has to be true to reach that guide or maybe put another way, is all what you need to hit those numbers already in hand today. Thanks. I'll pass on. Mandeep Chawla: Yes, so Paul, it's of course a combination of the two. So it is HPS and ATS. So ATS, we are reiterating our growth expectation of 10% and we're starting to see that as you can see in our guidance in the second quarter just looked very strong performance across the number of segments. And then on the HPS side, we have increased our growth expectations to be double-digit, which frankly makes 10% or more. And so, when we put the two together, it brings Lifecycle Solutions to have a robust growth profile. On the ATS side, I would say that the outlook for capital equipment is strong at this point and we do have new program ramps that are driving a lot of the growth in health tech as well as in industrial. And then on the HPS side similarly, we have from outlooks from our customers, in some cases we have front yields in other cases we get the yields as we come along, but I would say that the outlook for HPS is stronger today than it was even three months ago. Paul Steep: Thanks. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Paul Treiber with RBC Capital Markets. Paul Treiber: Thanks so much, and good morning. I was hoping you could speak to the linearity or the expected linearity of growth in HPS over the year? And is there any, I mean the 46% Q1 is quite strong and in the end of the outlook for 10% or more for the remainder of the year, in industrial deceleration like. How should we think about it between Q2 and Q4? Mandeep Chawla: Yeah. Hey, Paul. So we're really pleased with the growth that we're seeing right now in HPS as you'll recall, the growth last year really went into overdrive starting in the second quarter and so we are going to start to see some tougher comps, we wouldn't expect necessarily 46% growth in the next couple of quarters. That being said, what we are comfortable with at this point is that we would be seeing sequential growth. And so $200 million in the first quarter, we are expecting more than that in the second quarter. But overall just very good overall performance, and then when you look at it on a full year basis, it will be stronger than last year of course. But we do need to moderate expectations, because we just have various tough comps when you go, Q3 and Q4 of last year. Paul Treiber: I mean, digging a bit more further into that like the underlying demand drivers remain intact, so ultimately is it -- do you see sequential growth through the year and the demand in the pipeline on hyper scale as others continuing to build in that business? Mandeep Chawla: Yeah, I mean, Rob touched on it a little bit, which is we're doing business right now with eight of the top 10 hyperscalers. And the eight that we're doing it with actually represent the vast majority of hyperscaler CapEx. And then when you look at the hyperscaler concentration in terms of total hardware spend, hyperscalers are continuing to take more and more share of the overall market. And so we're participating in that upside with them. We are concentrated in only a couple of customers, because of wins that have been happening in the business over the last year or two years. There are a number of programs we're seeing, and so we do have a diverse set of product offerings that our customers are buying, and we also have a diverse set of customer logos. And of the growth that we are anticipating is with a lot of new program mix in the pipeline. Rob Mionis: I would also add, Paul, that in this segment, particularly defensive demand strength is so strong. Our growth is really going to be again tempered by or governed by our ability to get components. But given the nature of the demand, the design nature of the demand, I would also say that it's not perishable. So again, we're expecting good strong sequential growth throughout the year. We do have some tough comps, but good strong sequential growth. And because of the strong demand environment will probably be more paced by component availability than anything else. Paul Treiber: Thanks. That's a good help, a good point. So shifting over to the healthcare business, could you speak to the breadth momentum in that business? I think the Canadian ventilators contract ramped up, I think last quarter. But how do you see outside of that contracting and in terms of other opportunities and the breadth of the momentum there? Rob Mionis: Good question. So, health tech business continues to exhibit strong growth, very strong growth in Q1 on a year-over-year basis also sequentially. I would say about half the growth we're experiencing is kind of COVID-related demand and the areas of PPE, point of care, patient monitoring imaging devices. And some of that growth that we're seeing in the first-half of the year will probably temper a bit in the back-half of the year. But the other half of the growth we're seeing is really driven by new program wins, and I would say they are not directly related to COVID, there in the areas of surgical instruments, medical hardware, patient monitoring. So when you put those together, we are expecting a rapid strong year from our health tech business all in those areas. Paul Treiber: And then just lastly for me, just on the A&D business. How do you balance between profitability in light of lower utilization of demand in the near-term, versus trying to sustain investments in that business, because I do think a long-term growth opportunity? How do you sort of balance those two here? Rob Mionis: Yeah, that is the question that we talk about. The answer is we're trying to grow in A&D business where the markets are more favorable and that being in our defense business. So as we mentioned on the call, we are expecting some revenue growth in the back-half of the year. It's majority in the defense, space, and its majority driven by some of the wins that we had last year that are starting to ramp in the back-half of this year. We are also expecting some slight early signs of recovery in the bis app market. That being said, we do have several sites in the network that are our critical mass, and we're keeping them at that level. So we don't lose capability, until the market does recover. But it has been dragging on our ATS segment. But again, despite that our ATS segment seems to is definitely stronger in the margin perspective largely fueled by the other verticals we mentioned, the semicap, health tech, industrial. Paul Treiber: Thank you. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Todd Coupland with CIBC. Todd Coupland: Yeah, good morning everyone. I wanted to ask about market conditions post Cisco engagement. With that decision did it have a noticeable impact on overall pricing in the market with respect to not only yourselves but the overall market? Cisco has traditionally been very aggressive with their suppliers, but with you a major Tier 1 supplier pushing back. Are you seeing a bit of a power shift back to someone like yourself to drive better pricing? Is there a better tone in the market as a result of that decision? Rob Mionis: I think the core EMS in a non-commoditized space, I think pricing usually is a reflective of how utilized people's factories are. In some cases, where our factory utilization well, some EMS players might make a decision to bring in lower margin work to get utilization up and the inverse is true. So I think the pricing environment is a reflection of the demand environment, with the demand environment being generally robust across most of EMS, I think pricing has been more disciplined. Again our strategy is to shift away from the lower value add stuff into the higher value add stuff, so there's higher barriers to entry, sticky relationships. And the margins tend to be higher because of the higher value. Add and that strategy I think has proven out for us, and will continue to yield results for us. Todd Coupland: And post-Cisco, are you happy with the CCS mix? Or do you anticipate you'll need to have a regular sort of upgrading of the mix, as you look forward over the next two or three years? Rob Mionis: Yeah, right now we're very happy with the CCS mix market conditions that we've changed. So it's where we always take a look at it, but the mix within CCS is very good. In the EMS business, it's in the higher value add areas and HPS business is growing nicely. And even in the EMS space we were working with those customers to kind of move up the value chain, and to introduce HPS solutions into those customers as well. Todd Coupland: And then my last question is, you have the mix that you have. You have excess capital on the balance sheet for growth. Are there any other verticals where you think you should expand either in ATS or CCS? Just talked about what might make sense over the next two or three years? Rob Mionis: Yeah, I think that goes back to our potential M&A strategy. When we are thinking about capabilities, we always take a look at, does it makes sense for us to invest organically and build those capabilities or is there a show to more accretive path to buy them. We usually default because of the risk factor to developing as capabilities in-house. And we've been making investments in many of the verticals within capital equipment we've been working on vertical integration in areas such as well paints and cleaning. Within our health tech business, we've been adding engineering capability, with our industrial business, we've been adding engineering and design capability as well. In terms of broaden space, we're always looking at this stage of the game, and I think there is anything that material to announce or to share with the community. Operator: And your next question comes from the line of Jim Suva with Citigroup Investment. Jim Suva: Thank you so much for the details. So far it's been very useful. I have two questions. And so you can answer them in the order you want. Can you give us a little bit of insights or updates on your cloud efforts? I know, in the past, it's been a bit of a hidden gem in the company of Celestica about your cloud doing so well, maybe I don't know how much details you can give, but any updates on that? And then secondarily, while our full year guidance is hard to do, there are some moving parts this year for the year-over-year comparisons with a disengagement, which I believe, if my memory is right, is around $500 million. Can you correct me if I'm right or wrong on that and if so, do you think consensus for this year, which is around $5.5 billion or down 5% year-over-year, is that calibrated incorrectly adjusting for some things, right? It's not like just there is some moving parts that were kind of calibrated generally correctly or any color or direction? Thank you so much. Rob Mionis: Thanks, Jim. I'll handle the first one and I'll ask Mandeep to talk about Cisco. But in terms of our cloud business, we have several sources of growth. As we mentioned on other calls, our comprehensive road map is really around all the core technologies in the data center. So, we've been switching, which has been a key driver of growth this year. The quantity is one of the key drivers. We have very strong positions with market leaders in other speeds as well, also healthy lifecycle business. Edge is also a source of growth. We've seen strong data center cloud offering including HPS Solutions and that's been a driver for us as data center workloads move to the Edge. We're seeing some strength from some of our comms customers on the wired side driven some expansion from 4G to 5G, and we're also developing some Edge programs in the service space that are resonating with emerging customers. And we're working with them to make sure that they have to right Edge solutions in the requirements. Lastly on compute, this is not so healthy business as well as data centers continue to expand AI and ML applications. And we also have some positions where the enterprise service provider customers as well. So, across again all of the key technologies in data center, we have very good positions and that's been a driver of growth. It's very sticky business also, because with each successful development cycle and product launch that we have with our cloud providers, there is an increased resistance for a partner to change given the criticality of the products and the customers. So success is building success and that's been a key driver of our growth as well. The second one, I'll turn it over to Mandeep. Mandeep Chawla: Yeah. Good morning, Jim. I'll stop short of providing full year revenue guidance, but I will double click on pieces. So as you hit on it, there are parts of the business that are growing quite nicely. Our Lifecycle Solutions revenue at the end of last year was just under $3 million and again we're targeting 10% or more growth in that overall portfolio, which is our HPS and ATS businesses. So $300 million or more growth is anticipated from here. On the Cisco piece, above $520 million of revenue is coming in year-over-year. That's the number one thing that's offsetting the growth in Lifecycle Solution. What I will say is we gave remarks on our growth for the non-Cisco portfolios, especially the company ex-Cisco and we grew in the first quarter of 7%, and the midpoint of our guidance implies 3% growth in the second quarter, and we are targeting growth in Q3 and in Q4 on a year-over-year basis for the non-Cisco portfolio. Jim Suva: That's very useful. Thank you so much for the details. Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Matt Sheerin with Stifel. Matt Sheerin: I wanted to just ask a question regarding your enterprise segment, which is down by double-digits and it sounds like your outlook, Rob more cautious on that group. I know there is some tough comps you're up against, but what we are hearing signs of on-prem infrastructure spending gradually improving, particularly as companies get back as projects that were pushed out get renewed. Are you seeing that? Or are you just continuing to hear cautious commentary from your own customers? Rob Mionis: Based on the mix of programs that we have and we're hearing a conscious mix, we've had -- last year was a particularly strong year for us. So, a lot of the comps we think are very really tough at least for us on the storage side, and also the same on the service side; so that’s kind of a key driver of some of the year-over-year comps -- year-over-year guidance, if you will. And the mix of products that we have. In our view, there's general softness in HDD and external storage as well. Matt Sheerin: Okay. Thank you. And just another inventory question regarding your outlook. I think you said that you expected your inventory turns actually to improve as you get through the year and even though inventory levels are higher, is that correct? Mandeep Chawla: That's right, Matt. So, we expect that our first quarter revenue is going to be our lowest quarter of revenue in the year. And a lot of inventory that we have on hand, some of it was very strategically brought in to support some of the growth that we're seeing. So, we expect that our inventory turns will be improving sequentially. Matt Sheerin: Okay. All right. Thank you. Mandeep Chawla: Thanks, Matt. Operator, we can take the next question. Rob Mionis: Operator, next question? Operator? Operator: Your last and final question comes from the line of Daniel Chan with TD Securities. Daniel Chan: Hi, good morning. I just want to drill into the semicap opportunity a little bit more. I'm just wondering, we've seen in number of fabs announced, expanded CapEx and then also some of the suppliers take forecast up. To what extent has that flowed through to you? I'm just trying to get a sense for the opportunity for even more upside to what you've been seeing, so I'm just kind of curious whether you see some of those orders really accelerate or do you think there is more to go? Rob Mionis: Hi, Dan, it's Rob. It's a very strong semicap environment right now. We're the largest or one of the largest in our space and have leading positions with all the major equipment manufacturers that do outsourcing. So, it's been a direct flow-through from the fabs to them right to us. And again, this year, the large portion of our growth is not just by a rising tide, but it's really by new programs, our share gains. All those new programs are based on the investments that we made during the down cycle and some new verticals and some capacity adds as well. So, we think we're going to be a direct beneficiary of what we're seeing going on in the end fabs as well. Daniel Chan: Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. Then on the communications side, as you gain -- as your customers in HPS continue to gain share and you guys gain share, I'm just curious whether that has any direct impact on some of the relationships that you have with some of your larger customers? Obviously, you've disengaged with Cisco, but you've got another large network or communications provider there. As you gained long share does that change the conversation a little bit? Rob Mionis: Not materially. I mean, I think between our cloud providers and our traditional OEMs, they view us as an enabler for their success versus anything else, and pulling on solutions that we offer both offer in our HPS business in one way or another. So, the conversations have been healthy on both sides. I think they're seeing the value in having someone like Celestica actually design their products for them and also part of the value-added services. So, I think the model, I think this whole pandemic has kind of shifted that model and accelerated that model moving forward. It's been a net benefit on all lines of business. Daniel Chan: Great. Thank you. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our Q&A portion of the call today. And I will now turn the call back over to Rob for closing remarks. Rob Mionis: Thank you, operator. We're off to a strong start in 2021 after a strong finish to 2020. We feel our efforts to diversify our portfolio are yielding results as Lifecycle Solutions representing 59% of the company's revenue. The revenue of the company's non-Cisco business grew 7% year-over-year. And additionally, our operating margins continue to expand and in Q1, '21, we posted our fifth consecutive sequential quarter year-over-year non-IFRS margin expansion. We are excited that our efforts to transform our business are yielding results. In May, we will be hosting another round table discussion for investors. This time we will focus in on our Capital Equipment segment. So please stay tuned for more details. I'd like to thank our global team for remaining vigilant and keeping themselves and each other safe and thank you all for joining today's call. I look forward to updating you as we progress throughout the year. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.CLS Ratings Summary
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