CalAmp Corp. (CAMP) on Q3 2022 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
Operator: Welcome to CalAmp’s Third Quarter 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference call, Joel Achramowicz, Managing Director of Shelton Group, CalAmp’s Investor Relations Firm. Joel, you may begin.
Joel Achramowicz: Good afternoon, and welcome to CalAmp’s fiscal third quarter 2022 financial results conference call. I am Joel Achramowicz, Managing Director of Shelton Group, CalAmp’s Investor Relations firm. With us today are CalAmp’s President and Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Gardner; Chief Financial Officer, Kurt Binder; and Chief Supply Chain Officer, Nathan Lowstuter. Before we begin, I’d like to remind you that this call may contain forward-looking statements. While these forward-looking statements reflect CalAmp’s best current judgment, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those implied by these forward-looking projections. These risk factors are discussed in our periodic SEC filings and in the earnings release issued today, which are available on our website. We undertake no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. Now Jeff will begin today’s call with a review of the company’s operational highlights, during which Nathan will discuss briefly the state of the global supply chain, then Kurt will provide a more detailed review of the financial results, followed by a question-and-answer session. With that, it’s my great pleasure to turn the call over to CalAmp’s President and CEO, Jeff Gardner. Jeff, please go ahead.
Jeff Gardner: Thank you, Joel, and thank you everyone for joining us on the call today. Revenue for the third quarter of $69 million reflected reduced shipments as a result of the ongoing global component shortages that we outlined in our business update press announcement last month. The supply chain challenges that are plaguing businesses globally have become more pronounced over the past several months. As a result, our backlog over the past two quarters has remained at record levels reflecting the continued strong demand we are seeing for our telematics solutions. In order to provide our investors more context and information regarding CalAmp's assessment of the supply chain and our mitigation efforts, I'd ask our Chief Supply Chain Officer, Nathan Lowstuter to add some additional insights. Nathan?
Nathan Lowstuter : Thank you, Jeff. As many of you know, I joined CalAmp in June last year with over 20 years of experience in global supply chain management, quality control, and manufacturing and project management. I can tell you that I've never seen such a global disruption in the electronics supply chain like the one we had today. Like many companies across multiple industries, the global semiconductor shortages continue to impact our ability to gain access to key components and have not shown a marked improvement over the past several quarters. And although we had previously anticipated some early signs of improvement in the second half of our fiscal year, we were faced with several component delivery decrements from our suppliers late in the quarter that impacted our ability to ship against order demand. This was driven by upstream challenges, the wafer allocation and delays in deliveries. As a result, overall material fill rates remained well below our order levels. It's been difficult to project inventory levels as many suppliers have limited near term delivery commitment windows of only one to three months out. Additionally, over the last couple of quarters, we have seen an increased rate of end of life notices for certain components, which has added to the overall supply challenges. To how has CalAmp been addressing the situation? First, my operations team is working several layers deep within our supply chain and is very tactically involved in tailoring our bill plans of the material, further build situation, and maximize output for our customers. Second, we are partnering with our engineering and product teams to qualify additional components and where possible to find work arounds or redesign of our products to include components that are more readily available. We are also aligning our new products with suppliers’ investment roadmaps to ensure that our products have the longest expected lifespan and access to critical material supply in the future. Our joint efforts are focused on creating the most optionality possible in order to source adequate component inventory. Third, we are active in the distribution and broker market for components and have a robust identification and quality verification process in place. However, there are still certain components that can't be found through these channels. With new way for production at foundry is expected to take a long time to come online, our expectation is that we will be working in a constrained material environment well into calendar year 2022, a wind for hope that the situation will incrementally improve every quarter. We will continue to address and carefully navigate the situation in the best way we can. Our focus on escalation, expediting and reengineering will continue as we work to maximize our material flexibility and output for our customers. I will now turn the call back over to Jeff, who will be available to answer any questions that you may have during the Q&A.
Jeff Gardner: Great, thanks for this assessment, Nathan. We're fortunate to have you and your team helping us navigate through this difficult time. Now, let me turn to an update on our Software and Subscription Services business. Revenue in the quarter was $37 million, which was up 7% year-over-year, but down sequentially as expected due to completion of a major trailer retrofit program with our large package delivery customer last quarter. Software revenues represented 53% of total consolidated revenue, the second quarter in which they have exceeded 50%. We are receiving positive reaction and feedback from our customers, evaluating our new SaaS applications for device management, configuration and over-the-air updating. The team continues to make progress transitioning them, both contractually and technically. And we have transitioned several of them from backlog to subscription models with total three year TCDs of approximately $30 million. We are also finalizing terms with a number of other customers that we expect to complete in the current quarter. As these customers recognize the value of having access to the enhanced features and functionality of our device management and CTC platform, as well as our value-added services and applications, we expect the transitions to pick-up momentum. As these customers transition to a SaaS model, they will gain real-time access to all the new feature enhancements that we will continually release in our telematics services portfolio. They're able to seamlessly leverage, they connected intelligence and insights that are available through the CTC services, APIs in adjacent areas of transportation and logistics, cargo and asset tracking intelligence and access to real-time sensor information from tractors and trailers. To further help with the advancement and progress of our go-to-market strategy towards the SaaS model, we internally established a transformation office with the express charter of improving cross-functional alignment within the organization. We've also continued to expand our team with highly qualified and experienced software sales professionals as part of our SaaS sales group, while also hiring the best engineering talent to augment our product development group. Taken together, these efforts have made a critical impact on our SaaS transition initiative. This past quarter we've exceeded 1 million in core software subscribers, which is up from 932,000 last year, as we remain focused on becoming a SaaS telematics leader in the transportation and logistics industry. With that, I'll pass the call to Kurt to review the financials, and then we will open the call to questions. Kurt?
Kurt Binder: Thank you, Jeff. Today, my commentary will include reference to the non-GAAP financial measures of adjusted basis net income, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. A full reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures with the closest corresponding GAAP basis measures is included in the press release announcing our fiscal 2022 third quarter earnings that was issued this afternoon. Total revenue in the third quarter was $68.8 million, which was down 12% year-over-year and 13% sequentially. The decline in revenue is attributable to the ongoing global component supply chain constraints as discussed by Jeff and Nathan. International revenue totaled $24.2 million or 35% of total revenues for the quarter. Software and Subscription Services revenue was up 7% year-over-year to $36.6 million or 53% of consolidated revenue. But on a sequential basis, it declined from $41.4 million last quarter, due to the completion of a large trailer retrofit project. The year-over-year growth in our Software and Subscription Services business benefited from the continuing success in transitioning certain existing telematics device customers to recurring software contracts. In terms of performance metrics for our Software and Subscription Services business annual recurring revenue for the trailing 12 months was $85.5 million, up slightly, both from $85.2 million in the third quarter of the prior year and from $85.1 million last quarter. As a reminder, ARR represents revenue from recurring application subscriptions and services, which excludes revenue from the hardware devices in a bundled arrangement with the customer that is recorded at a point in time or upon installation. Remaining performance obligations in the third quarter were $146.4 million and as compared to $136.3 million in the prior quarter and $124.3 million in the prior year quarter. This metric represents all contracted revenue, including deferred revenue and contracted but unbilled revenue related to bundled contracts with customers. We continue to see growth in our base of active subscribers and our total number of active subscribers at the end of the third quarter was 1 million. The growth in our remaining performance obligations and subscribers reflects the increasing success of our program to transition existing customers to recurring subscription contracts as well as new logo generation. Telematics Products revenue in the third quarter was down 28% year-over-year and 14% sequentially to $32.2 million. Although customer demand remains strong across all regions, the ongoing global supply chain constraints continue to limit our ability to source critical components necessary to meet all demand for our telematics devices. Within the Telematics Products reporting segment OEM products revenue increased 1% sequentially and decreased 16% year-over-year to $16.1 million. Our largest customer represented $14.4 million in revenue for the quarter, which is up 3% sequentially from $14 million last quarter and down from $16.4 million in the same quarter a year ago, due primarily to supply constraints. Demand remains strong at this customer in support of their 3G to 4G upgrade cycle. Consolidated gross margin from continuing operations in the third quarter was 40.7%, down from 42.2% last quarter, but was up from 39.8% in the same quarter a year ago. The sequential decline in gross margin resulted from higher fixed cost absorption across the lower revenue base in the quarter, combined with an increase in component costs across both of our reportable segments. Our non-GAAP operating expenses on an absolute dollar basis were consistent sequentially, even with sales and marketing expenses increasing slightly due to our continued investment in expanding our software sales team to support our transition efforts. We will continue to maintain this level of investment in our core business to further our SaaS transformation efforts, given the current customer demand and the record level of backlog we've seen over the past few quarters. Although the supply challenges are impacting revenue in the short-term, we believe it is important to remain properly positioned and well-staffed. We believe that today we have the right software solutions roadmap to meet the future demand of our telematics services and solutions. That being said, we will remain prudent in our overall spin and continue to carefully monitor our expenses for any opportunities to make select reductions over time. Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter was $3 million with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 4%, compared to adjusted EBITDA of $8.3 million and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 11% in the prior quarter. The decline in adjusted EBITDA is attributable to the decrease in sales, coupled with an increase in component costs and freight charges. Similarly, our free cash flow declined in the quarter due mainly to the lower revenue and further compounded by our efforts to transition customers to multi-year contracts, which changes the timing of cash flows as billings occur over the contract period rather than upon device shipment. This situation will be particularly relevant during quarters where larger customers transition to high value recurring subscription contracts. In terms of our overall liquidity position, at the end of the third quarter, we had total cash and cash equivalents of approximately $91 million as compared to $101 million last quarter. Additionally, we have an unused $50 million revolving credit facility. Meanwhile, our aggregate outstanding debt is approximately $237 million, including $230 million of the 2% convertible senior notes due in August 2025. We expect to maintain a strong financial position and balance sheet with significant cash for working capital going forward. In reference to our outlook for the fourth quarter of 2022, we are maintaining our policy of not providing quarterly guidance. Visibility into product shipments in the fourth quarter remains uncertain due to the global component supply shortages, coupled with the timing of Chinese New Year in February. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jeff to provide some final comments before we open the call up for questions.
Jeff Gardner: Thank you, Kurt. In summary, this is a challenging time for all of us, but the CalAmp team remains resilient and resolute in addressing the current supply chain challenges, while focusing on enhancing our full stack edge to cloud software solutions through a SaaS subscription model. Our customers know us as a trusted and reliable partner, and we will remain diligent in solving their business needs through the telematics innovations we have developed and continue to develop. We are excited about our connected intelligence strategy of providing customers with AI oriented actionable insights across all assets that move from point A to point B. So today, we are more confident than ever that our shift in strategy and our new focus will benefit our customers and ultimately our shareholders. With that, I'd like to open the call up to your questions. Operator?
Operator: Your first question is from the line of Mike Walkley with Canaccord. Your line is open.
Mike Walkley: I just -- for the team, including Nathan. With the Christmas holidays coming up and then Chinese New Year and what sounds like even more maybe challenging supply chain in the month of November, is supply even tougher into your Q4 than it was in Q3? Or do you think it's more stable? I know you’re not giving guidance, but any color on kind of how things are for Q4 versus Q3 on the supply side?
Nathan Lowstuter: This is Nathan. We are not providing guidance. But in general, we do not anticipate a quick snapback in the fourth quarter. And there may be additional downside risk should the current conditions and allocations not improve. But we are monitoring this very closely and working diligently with our suppliers.
Jeff Gardner : Yes. And Mike, I think just the environment that we're operating in, it's not like we're getting a two or three months heads up anymore. It's a much shorter duration, which made it -- has made it particularly troubling for us to make those estimates out in front something like three or four months. But I'm convinced our team's doing everything we can to stay in close connection with our top vendors across all categories of our devices.
Mike Walkley: And then, maybe an intermediate term follow-up question. Just on some of the redesigns, qualifying new components, some of those plans, how long do those take to implement? And if successful, how do you see maybe supply improving over a 3 to 12 month period?
Jeff Gardner : Yes, those definitely take more time to initiate within our supply chain. We're working on some of those today. It is probably more like a few months out. So is it going to help us in the fourth quarter? Probably not. But going into next year, the fact that our team has done a thorough analysis of our BOMs for all of our key products -- and by the way, we have many fewer SKUs today than we did a year ago, that was very intentional to simplify the business, it'll put us in a better position to forecast these products going forward. So I feel like while it's not an immediate solution for our problem in the fourth quarter, it is going to result in some better long-term supply chain planning in our company go forward. Nathan, you might want to comment.
Nathan Lowstuter: Yes. That’s right for sure. And this has been something that we're just starting now. This is something that we've been actively working with our product and engineering teams, coupled with our suppliers, making sure that our bills of material reflect their investment roadmaps, and as we look to make sure that we're skating to where the puck is going to be to maximize the allocation possible.
Mike Walkley: Okay. Last question for me and I'll pass the line. Just it sounds like your backlogs remain at or near record levels. So it appears here customers are sticking with you, but any sense your customers are looking for supplier, new suppliers, just given the tightness in the market and your ability to meet their needs.
Jeff Gardner: No, I mean -- this is Jeff, Mike. I think that there's definitely some of that going on out in the marketplace today, but I think without fail customers are finding out what we know to be broadly true that this is a broad-based supply chain shortage that's affecting a number of different suppliers including us. So to me, my view of it is, there's no easy answers. If there were easy answers, those would have been solved months and months ago when this whole thing started. Nathan, give your perspective, please.
Nathan Lowstuter: Yes, I think, we have seen and we've heard good feedback from customers related to our ability to work and support them through their constraints. Certainly we're not able to meet all of the needs on our order book today at the rate that we'd like. But they understand and are reflecting a similar atmosphere that they see across the semiconductor world. So, they may not like it at all the times, but they understand it and are working well with us through this.
Jeff Gardner: Key thing Michael that you mentioned is that the backlog remains strong and we've seen very few cancellations, which is another indication that customers really need our products. And we're focused on getting to them -- getting those products to them as quickly as possible. When I look at this period, it's kind of an odd time where, yes, it'd be great to ship all this product and perform much better on the top-line level. But at the same time, what we're taking -- making sure of is that we're making substantial progress on our migration. Remember this transformation as our company started almost coincidence with the supply chain issues. So we've been working both and I feel really good that the team is making progress on the transformation.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of George Notter with Jefferies, your line is open.
George Notter: I guess I wanted to ask, any sense for how much revenue was held up in the quarter due to the supply chain constraints?
Kurt Binder: Hi, George, it's Kurt. No, it's very difficult to quantify. We don't really -- and of course we're not giving any forecast here right now. So I think at this stage, it's just that we know what the backlog is. When we look at our historical backlog, we've ranged anywhere from say $35 million to $40 million, and right now we're 2.5x that. So the demand is strong. But in terms of when that demand can be materialized or aligned with supply, it's difficult to predict. So there's a lot of movement from week-to-week, from quarter-to-quarter. And so I can't sit here and quantify the exact amount that got pushed out.
George Notter: Got it. And then I guess I also wanted to ask about the transition process and what kind of feedback are you getting from customers? I guess I'm talking about the PULS to transition. It sounds like you've got a few customers over the goal line here, but what does customer receptivity look like? And are there customers that are not moving forward with you guys, give us for a certain range of outcomes you're seeing and how customers are viewing this? Thanks.
Jeff Gardner : Yes, thanks for the question. We're seeing some pretty positive response from our customers in terms of understanding the new capabilities of our software. That's what gets the most excited. Keep in mind that they're trying to handle this in the middle of a supply chain situation. The 3G 4G, so there are always some complexity there, but I feel good today that one it's been four or five months since we went out on these customer visits, all the executives here and had a direct dialogue with each of our customers. And I feel like we're making progress along the way. They understand what the journey is like. We've got some converted today. We've really got to scale that operation and we're feeling good about our ability to do so in the next few months
Nathan Lowstuter : Hey, George. I’d just emphasize, it does take a little time to educate them on the technology and the expanded capabilities that the new platform affords their business. As Jeff mentioned, we have converted a couple of customers here that are really important customers, and we're continuing to invest significant time to help our entire customer base understand how the transition is a win-win for all, but it will take a little time and we're working extremely hard at it.
George Notter: And then just out of curiosity, what percent do you think of your customer base has made a transition? I assume we're just scratching the surface at this point. Sort of any percentage you can give us?
Jeff Gardner: No, I don't think we -- I think we should stay away from our percentage. We have converted some big customers, one of our top five customers. But it really varies and it's going to be a little bit uneven. We're going to be really focused on this over the next few months though, too. Maybe we'll have some more clarity and be in a position to report percentages then, but now it's a little bit too early.
Operator: Your next question from the line of Mike Latimore with Northland. Your line is open.
Mike Latimore : Thank you. On the software results in the quarter. Were they in line with your expectations, a little below? Just trying to get a sense of whether the supply chain hindrance had an effect on that?
Jeff Gardner: Yes, we were real pleased with the supply chain sales in the quarter. As Kurt mentioned in his remarks, we were coming off a record software quarter with the large sale of equipment that we had with our big packaged customer. And knowing that, we were really pleased. We saw strength in K-12, connected car in transportation and logistics. So it was a steady quarter across the board where our sales team really delivered in, 53% is a new high for us, I believe in terms of software revenue as a percent of our total. And we expect that to continue to go up as we manage through this conversion.
Mike Latimore : So should we think about the software business as stable or growing a little bit in the fourth quarter?
Jeff Gardner: Yes. We're not going to quote any forecast and information for Q4. The spiking constraints that we're dealing with right now are pretty broad based. Our software business is not completely immune from it. We like the way that the conversion of our customers is occurring and the pace at which that's occurring, which actually helps our software business. But at this point in time to kind of give guidance on Q4 regarding that part of our business, we don't think makes sense so.
Mike Latimore : And then just the comment you made about backlog, I think being 2.5x normal. Can you just remind me when you saw the first big step up from normal?
Jeff Gardner: I think when we communicated our fourth quarter of last fiscal year, we had seen a pretty sizeable pick-up where actually in the Q, I’d say in quarterly -- annual filing we quoted I think something north of $60 million in backlog. And from that point in time, it has continued to grow. And so we're not at record levels today because we have shipped on some of that, but we're at pretty high levels right now. And our historical backlog when you look, this is on the device side is range anywhere, I think from $30 million to $40 million or maybe it's $35 million to $45 million and it's up 2.5x that.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Anthony Stoss with Craig Hallum. Your line is open.
Anthony Stoss : Hey Jeff, can you comment how many components within your products do you rely on a single source of supply from?
Jeff Gardner : There's very few that we rely on a single supply source. Nathan, you can give him some perspective on that, but it's not significant.
Nathan Lowstuter : Yes. I mean, we're using all the major players in the industry for radio modules, GPS, et cetera. There's no real wildcards in that basket. So, we are well-diversified but we are working with the best industry players. So, to that extent, if you think about upstream levels, we may have multiple approving vendors for your particular component. But when you get to the upstream wafer level, you're talking about really the same players across the board. So, it depends on at what level you're talking about. But at the wafer level, there's very few global players and they're the ones that production capacity and output is really dictating the pace of the industry.
Anthony Stoss : Maybe I'm confused. I'm just trying to get more clarity on the pick in the prepared remarks you talked about discontinuation of products from your suppliers. I am wondering if that's what's led to the redesign as it’s going to take some time to actually get products to customers?
Nathan Lowstuter: I understand your question. So if you think about the broad base of products that we have in our portfolio, and the general world of electronics, there's a product life cycle for components and that some reach maturity there is a natural end of life phase. As the industry is working to maximize output, we have seen an acceleration of that product life cycle phase to include some advanced notices of end of life components, which we are working to qualify or redesign or alternatives to enable us to continue to source. The fact that we have a portfolio of products we can within certain ranges, mix and match for customers to serve their needs.
Jeff Gardner: Yes. Thanks, Nathan. Lessons learned in this stuff is always to take a long view of all your BOMs across the industry. And I think you'll not only see CalAmp, but others in the space of some of these EOL notifications come out to do as much as we can in front of any kind of crisis. And believe me, we've never seen anything like this is to make sure that we've got a list of BOMs that are -- have a long life ahead of them and they'll put us in a difficult situation. That's just one aspect of the supply chain situation that we're in, but I think the team is navigating it quite well.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Scott Searle with ROTH Capital, your line is open.
Scott Searle: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions and happy holidays, guys. Real quickly. Kurt, I'm not sure if I heard it, but gross margins actually seem like they were okay overall, but I'm wondering if you could quantify any sort of the gross margin impact as it related to component pricing, freight issues or otherwise? And also Jeff from an end of life for 3G timeline, is there any reprieve on that front at this point in time, are you starting to hear that things would get pushed out to a little bit longer in terms of your customers for their upgrade cycles?
Kurt Binder: Yes, Scott. So on the gross margin, it generally we're pleased with the overall consolidated gross margin, recognizing that in the second quarter we had exceeded 42%. So sequentially it was down slightly. In the short-term it is difficult project our margin because there are some uncertain conditions in the supply chain that we're dealing with. And as talked about in some of our remarks, there's an increasing cost of components out there that we're working through. And I know our maintenance team is all over it. But generally we're making progress, you know that our long-term model target of gross margin around 50%. But that's also supported by a continued increase in our overall percentage of Software and Subscription Services revenue. So as long as we keep executing to drive the percentage of our Software and Subscription Services revenue higher and higher to hit that, well now probably more closer to 60% target, I think our margins will improve, but in the near term, there are some others uncertainties that we're dealing with and we'll be working through those over the next I think few quarters.
Jeff Gardner: Yes. And on the question on the 3G conversion, AT&T 3G conversion is still scheduled for the end of February. While we continue to talk to AT&T, as I'm sure they're getting out similar discussions from other players in the field, because of supply chain crisis. No one is really as far along on the 3G conversion as they’d like to. But to-date -- and remember when we talk about AT&T 3G, we're talking about North America. The rest of the world is a whole different set of standards and end of life. And then in the case of the other big carrier in the U.S., we've got more time for that, which I think will be helpful as we can give us some time to work out from some of these supply chain challenges that we're seeing today. But as far as I know, latest I heard Nathan, February 28th, there's no one giving us any reason to be, believe that there's going to be a reprieve from that day.
Nathan Lowstuter: They understand the situation in the industry, but thus far they've held firm with their date.
Scott Searle: And Jeff, maybe I will do follow up on that. What's the latest number or your estimate in terms of installed 3G devices out there from CalAmp that need to be upgraded in the timeline? And maybe Nathan for you -- and just, I think you got asked it, I'm not sure if I missed the answer, but in terms of the requalification process as you start to bring in other components and/or other modules into your products, what -- how long is that cycle to go through a recertification process with the carriers?
Nathan Lowstuter: Well, it does depend a bit on what the type of changes and what level of the BOM we're talking about components. So if there's simple components, then there may not be much time required at all and they just be a fairly simple validation and test process, but for the higher level components they can take between 3 and 9 months depending on the type of qualification due to the testing validation and recertification.
Jeff Gardner: Yes. And as it relates to -- when you look across our customer base, it's a little bit of a complicated problem, because we have customers with AT&T. We have large customers that have tended to move very quickly as it relates to 3G. What I'm more concerned about longer term in this February timeframe is some of the smaller customers out there that either -- because they didn't have the capital funds available at the time are a bit behind on this 4G conversion. So and then it's difficult, right, because we have probably an equal number of customers on horizon, that has a different shutdown date entirely. But I mean, what's important to us is that we stay very close with our customers. And I know our sales team and some of the executives are talking with CEOs of their companies, understanding what it is, exactly what's in front of them, and how we can help them. How can we get resourceful as a partner to help them avert any kind of crisis on February 28th.
Scott Searle: Okay. And lastly, if I could Jeff, Samsara has gotten a lot of attention in the past week or so. I was wondering if you could address it competitively in terms of what you're seeing from the competitive landscape, where they kind of fit into the overall equation and kind of how you see them in head-to-head or otherwise? Thanks.
Jeff Gardner : Yes. I mean, Samsara is a great company and in a lot of ways I think it's a great thing that they get recognized as such with a $12 billion valuation. But I didn't think when you look at a company like CalAmp, there are very many similarities. You heard Kurt talk about ARR and our RPO statistics. I mean, we're an incumbent legacy company that's making the conversion. It's always easier to do so as a unicorn. But nonetheless, when you look at CalAmp’s business, it's not unlike what you see at Samsara. We're solving complex problems of customers today, providing insights and competing with them in many cases head-to-head and doing quite well. So, I mean, I'm taking nothing away from the incredible marketing machine that those two founders that built, I’m proud of what they built, they've made us all better because of it. But don't lose sight of the fact that there's some companies out here, one of which is CalAmp that has a very significant software business today that’s solving very complex problems at scale for some of the biggest brands in the industry, and have a valuation discrepancy that large, makes absolutely no sense to me.
Operator: Your next question is from the line of Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Unidentified Analyst: Hi, this is Adam on for Jerry Revich today. I was wondering, given increased component costs, how extensive the magnitude of price increase is? Was that you put in across your customer base during the quarter? And did you see any elevated levels of churn as a result?
Jeff Gardner : Yes, I'll start and let Nathan jump in. We announced last quarter that we did a pretty extensive across the base price increase to accommodate some of those increases that we saw. And speaking of the CEO, we received very little feedback. Of course, we had questions from consumers, but most of our customers were more in the mindset of how can we solve the problem getting us equipment in time that will be fine for 4G and not a lot of pushback on the prices.
Nathan Lowstuter : Yes, it is true that we've seen more rapid price increases across the board over the last couple of quarters on the material side as well as logistics. And I think early on in the year, we maybe lack a little bit in terms of how we pass that on, but we've just gotten better at learning how to partner with customers to participate in those broker buys as needed and to pass through some of the price inflation that we're seeing, and it's still an ongoing discussion topic.
Jeff Gardner : Yes, the first we took back in say our first quarter was we applied a broad base, I think 3% to 4% increase across all of our customers. Since then, prices have continued to increase from there. And now what we're doing is we're becoming a little bit more specific in that as customers request or demand product and we perform allocations in the event that there are incremental cost increases that need to be passed on. We work with them directly to have them accept those cost increases before we move to process their orders. So, rather than take a broad base, it's more customer-specific. However, as things continue to evolve in the supply chain, we'll be re-evaluating our approach quarter-to-quarter.
Unidentified Analyst: That's clear. And then margins in telematics have been choppier recently as a result of supply chain impact. Can we just revisit how you think about normalized margins in this segment once component shortages start to ease?
Kurt Binder: Well, again our outlook on gross margin is heavily dependent on our ability to accomplish two real things. One, we use the term convert the base, which is essentially taking our existing customers and moving them into a subscription model. That is what we've been working on diligently, and we've made, I think some really good progress here over the last quarters -- few quarters. The second thing is really our ability to drive new logos and have those new logos be in full stack solutions where we know we can generate gross margins north of 50% in select market verticals like for instance, K-2, the government municipalities. We’re already generating that type of margin profile. So for us, it's more around the concentration of revenue coming out from Software and Subscription Service arrangements versus the device business. So we'll reiterate -- again our medium to long-term target is to have gross margins in that 50% range, given that in all of our scenarios with customers, we will have a device element in the overall bundled arrangement. And depending on the magnitude of the service or the solution that we provide, the margin profile could increase from that 50% target upwards to 60%, 65%, again, depending on the solution. But we want to just reiterate that our target right now is a 50% gross margin based upon a mix up in overall revenue to Software and Subscription Services.
Operator: . Because I don't see additional questions at this time, I'll now hand the conference over back to Mr. Jeff Gardner for closing remarks.
Jeff Gardner: Thank you, Paula. Thank you for joining us on the call today and for your continued interest in CalAmp. One final note, Kurt and I will be participating in the Needham's Growth Conference on January 11th. If you'd like to request a meeting, please contact your Needham representative or our IR firm The Shelton Group. We will be releasing our fourth quarter and full year operating results in April of next year. Until that time, all of us at CalAmp wish you a happy holiday season. Thank you.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect. Happy holidays.
