A10 Networks, Inc. (ATEN) on Q2 2021 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

Operator: Good day and welcome to the A10 Networks’ Q2, 2021 Earnings Conference Call. I would now like to turn the conference over to Rob Fink of FNK IR. Please go ahead. Rob Fink: Thank you, operator. And thank you all for joining us today. This call is being recorded and webcasted live and may be access for at least 90 days on A10 Networks’ website. Members of A10 management team joining me today are Dhrupad Trivedi, President and CEO and CFO, Brian Becker. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that shortly after the market closed today A10 Networks issued a press release announcing its second quarter 2021 financial results. Additionally, A10 published a presentation and supplemental trended financial statement. You may access the press release, the presentation and financial statements on the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Dhrupad Trivedi: Thank you, Rob. And thank you all for joining us today. The second quarter was a strong quarter for A10 validating the changes we have made in our strategy while driving operational improvements. We delivered 12.7% year-over-year growth in the quarter, resulting in 7% growth for the first half of 2021 and reinforcing our confidence for the year. I'm encouraged by all of our trends, including our improving revenue mix, our customer diversification and market traction for our strategic product initiatives. Brian Becker: Thank you Dhrupad. As Dhrupad mentioned, revenue in the second quarter was $59.2 million up 12.7% year-over-year. Product revenue, which is a lead indicator for future recurring revenue growth, was $34.4 million representing 58.1% of total revenue up 17.6% compared to $29.2 million in the second quarter last year. Services revenue, which includes maintenance and support revenue was $24.8 million or 41.9% of total revenue up 6.5%, compared to $23.3 million in the second quarter last year. Moving to our revenue from a geographic standpoint; revenue from North America, including Latin America was $28.8 million, up nearly $5 million or 20% year-over-year. Revenue from Japan was $15.6 million up $2.7 million or 21% year-over-year. Asia-Pacific revenue excluding Japan was $7.7 million compared with $8 million in the second quarter last year. EMEA was $7.1 million compared with $7.7 million in the same quarter last year. As Dhrupad said revenue from the Americas increased due to the stronger commercial execution and improving market conditions. We expect that to continue throughout 2021. In Japan, we had said that Q1 results were impacted by re scoping of the Olympics and a strong book to build gave us confidence and normalization. As expected, revenues in Japan did normalize growing 20% year-over-year and we believe Japan will deliver results in line with our expectations for the remainder of the year. Dhrupad Trivedi: Thank you, Brian. In summary, this was a strong quarter for A10. Systemic improvements we have made in our roadmap, organization and commercial execution continue to drive and improve business model. We have diversified our customer base and we are capturing market share. We are more efficient, growing our profitability faster than our revenue amd generating significant free cash flow. We are strategically well positioned to benefit from significant secular tailwind and growth catalyst including cyber security and 5G rollout. We are increasingly viewed as a value added leader in security solution with best in class offerings. Operator you can now open the call up for questions. Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. The first question comes from Christian Schwab with Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Please go ahead. Christian Schwab: Thank you for taking my questions. Great quarter and guidance. As we look to the improved visibility. I’m just wondering if you can give us some direction whether it’s kind of some of the bigger secular tailwind like security in 5G that’s driving that which you highlighted or just a normalization of the Japan market. If you could give us any clarity on kind of the mix of those truly attributes to the improved visibility. Dhrupad Trivedi: Sure. Yes. Good question. Thank you. So I think the first element around improved visibility comes from just more positive outlook that we see in the market with customers and spending patterns and specifically during business resumption where countries are coming out of lockdowns, there is optimism around the vaccine where people can go in and build out data centers and do testing and validation. So I think that is helping create more certainty around not just the need for our solutions but the timeline to actually implement them. So that’s the first element of it. Second element I think you spoke about security and 5G and I think cyber security market in general is driven by two factors one is sort of the volume and sophistication of new attacks. But second, also by public announcements or known breaches that raises a awareness and budget for protecting our businesses better. So that is certainly causing a reprioritization where that is an important budget category and high priority for customers to carry out and complete quickly. And last as it relates to Japan, in our Q1 conference call, we had spoken about still the impending uncertainty around whether the Olympics would be canceled or resized or moved by year, etc, which had caused local service providers to therefore moderate their investments more in line with data growth, what is the specific event like Olympics with a lot of tourism and so forth. Christian Schwab: Great, thank you. And a question on the security business. And in your comments regarding shear games. Can you walk us through who you believe you're winning against most often in the security market right now as far as a competitor? Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes. Fair question. So obviously the complexity with security market it's highly fragmented and there are a lot of categories that people need to choose and prioritize around what is most important to their situation. So typically, our solutions which are using technologies like DdoS attack prevention, SSLI and so forth, we will be competing with a wide variety of companies in the space including but not limited to obviously, Juniper, F5, Radware, Citrix and everyone but more importantly, it's not just about replacing competitor ex-one for one it's more about helping the customer solve that security problem and prioritizing our solution as being the most relevant thing for them to do. Unidentified Analyst: on that just on the competitive front when you win against any of those wide variety of vendors, I think everybody is probably aware of, but that being said what is the number one and number two things that you hear back from the customer of why you won? Can you help us understand that a little bit better? Dhrupad Trivedi: Of course, yes. So the number one reason why we win is when customers carry out technical head to head testing of multiple solutions, our solutions are able to deliver higher throughput with lower latency and withstand a higher volume and complexity of cyber attacks. So that's probably the number one reason. The number two reason is our cyber security solutions because of the legacy of the company and the great technical foundation, the solutions are fully integrated and have not been built upon a series of acquisitions we made over the years. So from a customer perspective, that directly results in lower CapEx and lower OpEx to operate our solutions. Christian Schwab: That's great. All right. Fantastic. No other questions. Congrats on the great results. Thank you. Dhrupad Trivedi: Thank you. Operator: The next question comes from Hamed Khorsand with BWS Financial. Please go ahead. Unidentified Analyst: Hi, this is for Hamed. Thank you for taking the question. Just a couple of questions for you. The first one on operating margin. Could you provide some details on why there was a decline in Q1 not so much in Q2 and so what led to that difference? Dhrupad Trivedi: . Brian Becker: Yes. Thanks for your questions. Thanks for joining. Q1 in the last earnings call we announced that there was lower than expected travel and entertainment expense just related to lockdown. Obviously, we had some challenges with closures at the customer sites and doing proof of concepts and even delivering and installing equipment. But as the pandemic has been an easing and seeing, things opening back up, we're beginning to see things resumed to normal. We really saw in Q2, travel and entertainment, as well as event expenses pickup. We also were able to reintroduce more installation services and other travel expenses. So that's largely what you're seeing is because of the pandemic, there was basically a deferral sales and marketing expenses into the later part of the year. Unidentified Analyst: And do you expect that to continue for the rest of the year? Brian Becker: No, I mean, there will be a little bit of carryover in terms of the lockdown. We won't be able to make up everything that we've planned for the year, but for the full year we continue to expect to see the same level of expenditure in OpEx. As we begin to grow revenues further than expected, we'll see that grow at a slower rate, but we will see a growth. Unidentified Analyst: And then the last question on costs. Are there other areas where you see cost cutting opportunities? Brian Becker: Well, I guess the answer to that is we're not necessarily a cost cutting mode at this point. We're redeploying resources, investing in growth for our strategic initiatives. So I wouldn't say that we're looking for cost containment as much as ensuring that we're deploying resources the most, for the best return of our investment. Dhrupad Trivedi: And I think find the way to think about it is there's two parts to it. There is structural cost reduction which we carried out beginning of 2020 which is to resize our cost pool for the business and potential and then obviously, on an ongoing basis. as Brian said, we ensure resource allocation to the best growth opportunities, and then continue to drive process improvements, which allow us to grow the top line but also grow the bottom line faster than that. Unidentified Analyst: So that's more of a evolving quarter-to-quarter change where you see opportunities to take advantage of efficiencies. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes, it's more than a continuous improvement category than massive structural cost reduction. Correct. Unidentified Analyst: Thank you. Operator: The next question comes from Anja Soderstrom from Sidoti. Please go ahead. Anja Soderstrom: Hi, and thank you for taking my questions. Congratulations on another great quarter. And also some questions about the expenses on the gross margin for the products. It's been a bit larger this quarter and last quarter stuff due to the supply chain issues or what's driving that. And how do you see that coming quarters? Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes. Thanks Anja for the question. As you said, you're exactly right, we did experience some pressure and margins related to the logistics and freight as well as some of the costs are on our inventory as a result of the pandemic, and global supply chain challenges. I'd say we've done a pretty good job of mitigating the impact of that and neutralized most of it. But you do see a little bit of impact. As far as, as where we think we will be going with that I believe we've addressed most of our current risks and expect to continue to improve as we go throughout the year. Anja Soderstrom: Okay, thank you. And then this global distribution center transition expense. Is that related to improving your supply chain organization or what is that in regards to? Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes. Good question. So our global distribution and delivery center is related partly to that, but is more about the idea of continuing to simplify our footprint and improve efficiency. So it is actually helping us become more efficient in multiple functional areas while at the same time, of course, also helping with the supply chain related simplification. So it's more around our footprint and being proactive like a year ago to continue to dry and set it up in a way that allows us to continue to drive improvement on an ongoing basis while simplifying our operating structure so we can spend more time on growth and strategy. Anja Soderstrom: Okay, thank you. And then in terms of your strong revenue performance this quarter and then also your guiding as to a pretty strong third quarter. But yes what I'm targeting, I think around 8% annual revenue growth. How should you think about that given this net ? Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes. Good question Anja and I think for us, the thing we’ve talked about in Q1 and in Q2 is a little bit of timing shift in some of our region's related to macro conditions. And you are correct as we talk about Q3 guidance that puts us in a position of doing as good as the hiring of a range slightly better. So as we see market conditions improve our focus, of course is to take advantage of it. But our guidance is based on our own initiatives and what we can control. If 5G pickup is faster than as we have talked about before, we certainly see that as a tailwind to our business. And so that kind of very Brian if you can add anything to that? Brian Becker: That's exactly right. As things are improving, as we see as the pandemic is lifting and things are opening up which just presents opportunities for us and as well as the market conditions. And we were seeing a lot of activity in the market which is really pushing us along from the tailwind perspectives. Anja Soderstrom: Okay, thank you. And then in terms of the Olympics in Japan, how they're running without the audience and other live streaming instead how's that affecting your business on your -- Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes. Good question Anja. So as we had not known but anticipated in Q1 our customers were faced with a situation of if there were going to be a lot of visitors, and they wanted them to have a good experience on 5G and connectivity and so forth. They were going to invest earlier in the year to be ready for that. As the scope change as it relates to visitors from other countries and so forth as we had expected, their investments are now more in line with growth in data and video and subscribers in the market. So instead of spending it up front in Q1, and then less in Q3 to Q4, we expected that to be more spread out over the year. And that is consistent with what we see in our funnel and opportunities and kind of customer discussions is. The full year outlook may not be different. It's just not as front loaded, as they had to spend it all in Q1 to be ready for the Olympics. Anja Soderstrom: Okay, given that then is also then chance that maybe some of that spills over into next year, or? Dhrupad Trivedi: There is a chance that some of it goes over into next year. Absolutely correct. Yes. Because it will be more driven by growth in data and subscribers versus a specific event. And as Brian said, earlier, in Q2, we did see that rebound where the Q1 investments had been moved forward to Q2 at least. So that's correct. Yes, it's possible that it continues to carry over. Anja Soderstrom: Okay, thank you. And then one last question, if I may. You alluded to our portfolio pruning, and even on this call. How's that progressing? And how is that affecting your near term revenue opportunities? Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes. So for us, it's, I think we had spoken in an earlier call more related to the concept of portfolio management. So we are not discontinuing any product lines. We have not stopped any customer project. It was more to do with how do we align our OpEx whether it's in sales and marketing, or R&D, with the best growth opportunities and the best customer opportunities and therefore, it's right to those investments from a portfolio perspective to the best opportunities, some of which may be longer term. So I think it was more in the context of how do we continue to deliver new innovation and products with our current R&D, and sales and marketing OpEx and how do we manage that as a portfolio. So that was more of a concept. So there's no revenue impact. If anything, we are hopeful that doing that is going to help us grow faster. Anja Soderstrom: Okay, thank you. That was all from me. Dhrupad Trivedi: Great. Thank you Anja. Operator: Your next question comes from Hendi Susanto of Gabelli Fund. Please go ahead. Hendi Susanto: Good evening Dhrupad and Brian. Hi Dhrupad, can you share more insight into business dynamic in enterprise. I think earlier let’s say like months ago we were talking about impact on the self activities. How do you characterize business dynamic and enterprise at the moment? Dhrupad Trivedi: Sure. Hendi, thank you, good question. So for us the enterprise market focus heavily is on large enterprise and especially within that on applications that focus on managing a lot of data, worried about security, etc, with critical business and IT applications. So in that market we are seeing two things happen. One is that is increasing awareness and concern around cybersecurity, which obviously is favorable to us in terms of engaging those customers in that conversation. And second is we certainly see in regions that are seeing high vaccination rates and so forth there is more optimism and opening around deployments that they can start conducting and with our products as well as testing. So I think we see that as something that continues to open up versus where businesses were let's say a year ago more concerned about ensuring that people can work from home rather than that IT infrastructure. Hendi Susanto: I see. And then Dhrupad and Brian, the recurring revenue target of 120 million exiting year end 2021. Can you help us break down between products and services in that 120 million? Brian Becker: Sure, yes. Hi, thanks for your question Hendi. Just to level set, so recurring revenue half of our revenue base portion of that is support services and a portion of that is security products exiting we expect to have from growth to 120 million and I'd say about 10% at least will be attributable to our security products. Hendi Susanto: That’s helpful. And then, Brian, if I look at the OpEx I remember that the baseline for 142 million plus or minus 4 milion to 5 million of expenses with earning post COVID. If I look at that, that implies higher OpEx in the second half, is that right assumption? Dhrupad Trivedi: Yes, I think you're exactly right. Jumped off from last year’s 142 million annually of OpEx that we are expecting about the same level with a return to normal sales and marketing expenditures around travel and entertainment as well as marketing events in the range of 45 million, I think that’s exactly what you are seeing but then obviously as we continue to produce grow the business and grow revenue. We'll see some sales and marketing expenses climb up accordingly. But as we have said, OpEx will trend at a rate lower than top line. So as we see overall revenue growth for the year original guidance 6% to 8%, we expect to see OpEx grow at a slower rate, therefore returning faster bottom line results. Hendi Susanto: Okay. And then Dhrupad it's quite interesting to see sequential increase in R&D spending and then assuming that you will spend more on R&D in second half, can you give us some insight into where a spending in R&D? Dhrupad Trivedi: Sure, yes. Good question. And I think that's a fair assumption is that to we will grow our cost structure at a slower rate. But certainly, we want to make sure we are investing in the right priority. So for us from an R&D spending perspective, the most important areas of spending growth will be in security related products, whether that's DDoS, or SSLI, or features in our platform that make it more secure. So that's the most important thing. The second area where we continue to invest in R&D is on differentiation in our products that is based on creating higher throughput and low latency for all applications. And the third area for us is really where we are able to integrate or add more and more features to our common platform which makes it easier for a customer to consume and use our products. So those are sort of the semantically the most important areas of investment for us. Hendi Susanto: I see. And then last question for me, if I see the year-over-year decline of 8% in EMEA, besides lockdown and COVID are there still other reasons? Dhrupad Trivedi: No, I think that is purely macro driven impact when we look at how our business is evolving in core Europe or emerging parts of Europe. It's all positive developments as it relates to customers and funnels. So that is purely a timing impact about COVID related shutdowns and slowdowns. Brian Becker: And I might point out that if you look to 2019 to 2020 to 2021, there was a pretty large growth year-over-year from 2018 to 2020. And then back to more normal levels in 2021. So I wouldn't see it as much as a decline year-over-year as much as an improvement over the last few years in the as a whole. Hendi Susanto: Thank you, Brian. Thank you Dhrupad and great Q2 executions. Dhrupad Trivedi: Thank you Hendi. Thank you. Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dhrupad Trivedi for any closing remarks. Dhrupad Trivedi: Thank you. And thank you to all our shareholders for joining us today and for your ongoing support. And thanks to all the great A10 employees that made these results possible. Thank you. Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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